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(10-21-2015, 02:23 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: You are having an entirely different discussion than what was being discussed earlier.  Fwiw, it's gone like this:

1.) I mentioned that I currently ranked Andy in the 6-10 range of QB's.  I thought he is a QB worthy to be considered in that group.
2.) Someone asked me why I didn't have him as "elite" and what my top 3 were.
3.) I responded with my 3 (Rodgers, Brady, Rivers) and explained why I have him where I do, and agreed with the idea of his elite level of play we're seeing currently.
4.) For some reason, someone else mentioned that you can't expect any elite QB to keep up this pace.  (Not really sure what that has to do with anything, but whatever)
5.) Someone simply reminded them that plenty of elite QB have done just that (See multiple 110 plus years, 40, 50 TD's, 5,000 yards, etc.)  I don't think they did this to detract from Dalton, just to clarify further what constitutes elite play and it's sustainability.

Somehow we're now here.  Talking about the first four years of QB's careers.  This was never an Andy's career vs anyone else debate though.  It started as a simple explanation as to why someone regards his current level of play elite, while regarding his talent level good to very good (6-10).

I could mistaken, but I do think some of you are hyper-sensitive when it comes to the team you root for.  If anything this has been a praise Andy thread.  Why go to all the trouble of finding stats to defend Andy's first four years when it's not even a discussion.

Andy has played absolutely great to start the season.  No doubt.  But Andy is not great (elite) yet.  If you're building a team, and you start going down the list of the guys you want at QB, Rodgers and Brady are going to top that list right now.  Most likely guys like Rivers, Rapes McGee and Brees and going to go next.  And there's a very good chance Andy goes in the next group, among names like Ryan and Wilson.  There is nothing wrong with saying that.  It's no knock on Andy. 

Great start.  Good QB.  Can we all just agree on that? 

All I did was provide some facts. I did not quote you on my post.

I also stated he is not elite as well so not sure why you felt the need to dismiss a QB comparison based on as close to apples to apples as possible among QB's. I even stated others will weigh different things differently.

I thought the numbers were interesting basing off of experience and the consistencies of the greats was for the most part inconsistent. Only Rodgers and Brady showed consistency and neither started year #1 in the NFL.

My post was not a shot at you, I was just trying to provide some more texture to the conversation.

"Why go to all the trouble of finding stats to defend Andy's first four years when it's not even a discussion."
My facts backed up your OP on how AD was inconsistent so not sure why you are sensitive to the facts I provided. I just added the comparision as some may not realize some elite QB's failed to play at elite levels early in the career either?