10-22-2015, 10:45 PM
(10-22-2015, 02:06 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Yes, Antonio Brown is most definitely elite right now. The man caught 129 balls last season, for 1,689 yards. Those aren't just elite numbers, they're historic. That's the 2nd most catches, EVER, in a season. A feat that every single receiver has failed to match not named Marvin Harrison. Not Jerry Rice, not Randy Moss, not Terrell Owens, not Tim Brown. The yardage last year was 1st overall. The TD's second. With the receptions obviously first.
1st in receptions, 1st in yards, 2nd in TD's. IN A FULL SEASON.
Was it a fluke? Well, lets look at the season before. (2013)
110 catches, 1499 yards with 8 TD's. Good for 2nd in receptions, 2nd in yards.
What about 2012?
66 rec, 787 yards and 5 TD's. in 10 starts, which is projected at 105 rec, 1,259, and 8 TD's over a full season.
2011: 1,100 yards.
So to recap, what things can we establish from these numbers?
Elite numbers in position group: Check.
Sustained success: Check.
Full season results: Check.
I'm not sure why you asked this, why I took the time to explain an obvious statement, or if you trying to lead this somewhere, but it's pretty simple. Play really well for awhile. Prove you're really, really good. Like one of the best in the league at your spot. Like top 3. Then you're considered elite by most rational people.
You don't get that just taken away from you because of a 3 game stretch, while paired with the worst starter in the league. Prior to that he had 436 yards in 3 games, on 29 balls, with 2 TD's. To put those game averages into perspective that = a crazy 154 rec, 2,345 yard, 210 TD pace to kick of the year.
Why exactly are you penalizing him for playing with Ben Rapes-A-Ton? I guess you might as well ding Jerry Rice too. He's off the list, his QB was even better. Randy Moss? Well, he's gone because he played with a Pro Bowl QB in Culpepper and then the GOAT Tom Brady, when he did his damage. TO? Steve Young, Donavan McNabb Tony Romo, and Carson Palmer have an absolutely shit ton of Pro-Bowls under their belts. A few Lombardi's, MVP trophies, and Division Championships as well. You could do a lot worse.
Jones-Ryan. Bryant-Romo. D Thomas-Manning.
Antonio Brown is most definitely elite. Andy Dalton will be elite when he does this well for a longer amount of time. If you have any other questions about the sky being blue or anything like that just let me know.
I asked this because it got me thinking about how really Dalton his 1st year and 4th year had very few overall weapons (Green aside) that I would consider really good / elite and this year with being healthy he is have a great season so far and I think it is hard to say someone is elite alone..if you look at most great players especially skilled players it takes more than them to be elite.
and though it is a small example, the lack of production of A. Brown without Big Ben is a bit shocking and could support my post. Imagine if Ben would be unable to play the rest of the year... and A. Brown continues to put up very weak numbers like he has since Ben got hurt.. maybe A. Brown is just a really good WR but not elite but what makes him elite is Ben...
and finally you seem a bit thin skin.. sorry if i ruffled your feathers.. relax a bit I was not questioning anything you said.. I just had a thought and asked a question that actually has some substance and thought behind it even if you seem a bit overboard on the response.. but no surprise after reading most of your other posts...
