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Toxic lockerroom players speak
(11-29-2020, 10:40 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: I so disagree that owners should just dump a coach taking over a terrible team after two years.. history has shown some good to great coaches have taken a few years to start to win... also history shows teams spiral for a long time by just changing coaches.. especially young QBs ... Burrow is not a "top tier "  QB but has shown improvement from beginning of season with Taylor. They have a good connection together to just go to a new Head Coach and a different system can be a setback for Burrow.  

I do not believe that Burrow has gotten better due to ZT.  I think he probably did that on his own after getting his ass kicked behind the OL that ZT and MB put in front of him.  While the Bengals made some good moves in FA on the defensive side of the ball, they did very little on the OL and so many people on this very board bitched about it during the offseason.  I was surprised Burrow lasted this long to be quite frank.

Marvin took over a 2-14 team from another inept head coach (Lebeau) that was never given another shot and will likely win more games (12) in 3 seasons than ZT will.  I think Marvin's 6-10 team was far better than what we have now, so I do not agree that ZT took over a terrible team.  He made it that way and he's not done yet. With Dunlap gone (doing fine now), Geno not playing anymore and AJ now a shell of his former self, one has to wonder how things unraveled so quickly.

Burrow came to us a great player already.  That had nothing to do with ZT.  Fell into our laps because ZT took Marvin's 6-10 team and made them worse.

His mangled left knee has everything to do with ZT with the coaching and OL he decided to put in front of him. 
The buck has to stop somewhere. 
"Our offensive line is going to surprise a lot of people" - Mike Brown (7-26-21)
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Toxic lockerroom players speak - pally - 11-24-2020, 11:02 AM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - pally - 11-24-2020, 11:10 AM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - J24 - 11-24-2020, 11:11 AM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - J24 - 11-24-2020, 11:09 AM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - Au165 - 11-24-2020, 11:13 AM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - Au165 - 11-24-2020, 11:33 AM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - pally - 11-24-2020, 11:36 AM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - pally - 11-24-2020, 11:41 AM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - J24 - 11-24-2020, 11:55 AM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - J24 - 11-24-2020, 12:09 PM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - jason - 11-24-2020, 12:23 PM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - CJD - 11-24-2020, 12:29 PM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - J24 - 11-24-2020, 01:23 PM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - J24 - 11-24-2020, 02:10 PM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - J24 - 11-24-2020, 02:22 PM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - Tony - 11-25-2020, 02:20 AM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - Tony - 11-25-2020, 02:40 AM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - J24 - 11-24-2020, 02:24 PM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - Tony - 11-25-2020, 02:53 AM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - jason - 11-24-2020, 10:41 PM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - Tony - 11-28-2020, 09:11 PM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - 2MinutesHate - 11-29-2020, 11:44 AM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - Tony - 11-25-2020, 02:00 AM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - jason - 11-25-2020, 06:03 AM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - JSR18 - 11-25-2020, 11:26 PM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - Tony - 11-30-2020, 12:40 AM
Toxic Culture?? - corpjet - 11-24-2020, 11:03 AM
RE: Toxic Culture?? - TecmoBengals - 11-24-2020, 11:05 AM
RE: Toxic Culture?? - jj22 - 11-24-2020, 11:06 AM
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RE: Toxic Culture?? - Nately120 - 11-24-2020, 11:17 AM
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RE: Toxic Culture?? - bengalfan74 - 11-24-2020, 11:22 AM
RE: Toxic Culture?? - GreenCornBengal - 11-24-2020, 11:26 AM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - Tony - 11-25-2020, 02:09 AM
RE: Toxic Culture?? - corpjet - 11-24-2020, 11:27 AM
RE: Toxic Culture?? - impactplaya - 11-24-2020, 11:36 AM
RE: Toxic Culture?? - KillerGoose - 11-24-2020, 11:40 AM
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RE: Toxic Culture?? - Nicomo Cosca - 11-24-2020, 12:22 PM
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RE: Toxic Culture?? - Wes Mantooth - 11-24-2020, 12:24 PM
RE: Toxic Culture?? - Wyche'sWarrior - 11-24-2020, 12:25 PM
RE: Toxic Culture?? - J24 - 11-24-2020, 12:27 PM
RE: Toxic Culture?? - GodFather - 11-24-2020, 12:34 PM
RE: Toxic Culture?? - GodFather - 11-24-2020, 12:35 PM
RE: Toxic Culture?? - RiverRat13 - 11-24-2020, 12:37 PM
RE: Toxic Culture?? - fredtoast - 11-24-2020, 12:39 PM
RE: Toxic Culture?? - fredtoast - 11-24-2020, 12:40 PM
RE: Toxic Culture?? - Wes Mantooth - 11-24-2020, 12:45 PM
RE: Toxic Culture?? - GodFather - 11-24-2020, 12:50 PM
RE: Toxic lockerroom players speak - Tony - 11-25-2020, 03:16 AM
RE: Toxic Culture?? - Nately120 - 11-24-2020, 12:59 PM
RE: Toxic Culture?? - fredtoast - 11-24-2020, 01:03 PM
RE: Toxic Culture?? - kalibengal - 11-24-2020, 01:12 PM
RE: Toxic Culture?? - bfine32 - 11-24-2020, 01:22 PM
RE: Toxic Culture?? - GodFather - 11-24-2020, 01:25 PM
RE: Toxic Culture?? - GodFather - 11-24-2020, 01:26 PM
RE: Toxic Culture?? - fredtoast - 11-24-2020, 02:15 PM
RE: Toxic Culture?? - Sled21 - 11-24-2020, 03:24 PM
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