Geno Atkins last 7 games....

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(12-08-2020, 10:01 PM)jason Wrote: Geno played in the HOF game his rookie year... Probably even went inside and had a look and a smell of the place. Fred wins.

On a side note... Why do we like to shit on our guys. Geno dominated for a decade, and was one of the best at his position until very recently.

You and Fred have a wacky definition for "shitting on our guys". 

He didn't quite dominate for a decade. He was the best DT from 2011-2014, during which time he was injured from mid '13-'14. In 2015 he and Aaron Donald were the 2 best DTs. Starting in 2016 Donald has been #1 with a bullet. 

Geno had a HoF resume up until the end of 2018, barely. For the last 2 years he's been a shell of himself. It's not my fault he can't stay healthy enough to build on his resume. He's in the same boat AJ Green is in--excellent for his first 7/8 years, then fall off a cliff. 

I'd say he's behind, or at best tied with, Kevin Williams and Ndamukong Suh for HoF consideration. Aaron Donald is a lock, right now. Warren Sapp was the last true DT elected in 2013 and he retired in 2007. Before that, John Randle in 2010 and he retired in 2003. Cortez Kennedy slipped in there in 2012 but he had been retired since 2000. All 3 of them were consistently more dominant with AP1's and PB's for stretches than Geno has been. Before those guys, you have to go all the way back to 2002 with Dan Hampton who was at least a part time DE as well. 

Suh was drafted the same year as Geno. He has 1 more AP1 and 2 less 'legitimate' PB's. On Pro Football Reference, his HoF monitor score is only about 2 pts less than Geno, his Career Approximate Value is exactly the same, he has 31 more passes defensed (37 to 6), almost 200 more tackles, 21 more tackles for loss, 21 more quarterback hits and 13 less sacks. How many times have you or anyone thought of Suh as a HoFer?

This has nothing to do with "shitting on our own players" and everything to do with objectively looking at NFL players and their chances at making the Hall of Fame, based on their career, not what my heart says or wants. 

P.S. Geno Atkins plays for the Cincinnati Bengals, where you legitimately have to be the best at your position for a long stretch of time to get HoF consideration. Nothing more than that needs to be said.