12-21-2020, 09:49 PM
(12-21-2020, 08:46 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: The federal government paid a lot more for PBS and Great American Park than residents of Hamilton County.
I missed this in your initial post. This is 100% wrong.
Hamilton County has sunk 1.2 BILLION dollars into these stadiums.
The article you provided shows a cost of 324 million. And that's not for construction, that's for financing the bonds the county used to fund it. Please, tell me where you're getting your numbers from.
Look, I'm going to try to be as nice as I can. It's going to be hard though.
You're from Toledo, right? Unless you have taken the time, and I mean REALLY taken the time to understand this local issue, it seems incredibily unfair for you to get on here and try to educate the tax payers who actually live this, and see the reality of the situation first hand.
We live this everyday. We get the stories in the Enquirer every few months for the last 25 years. We listen to 700 in the car where this issue gets discussed ad nauseum. This entire situation is something we deal with every single day.
I'm not saying this to make me sound smart, or to make me seem any better of a fan. It's just the reality of the situation. Do you know how much time I've, and thousands of other residents, personally spent trying to understand all of this, and to weigh everything involved?
Here's something you may not know if you didn't live here:
So part of this entire situation when it was sold to tax payers was that there was going to be a home owners property tax refund to help incentivize this deal. You can read about it here:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjijZfdq-DtAhXIVc0KHSBqACIQFjAAegQIBBAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cincinnati.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2F2020%2F12%2F03%2Fpandemic-leads-smallest-stadium-sales-tax-rebate-hamilton-county-ohio-property-owners%2F3811717001%2F&usg=AOvVaw1LFysvaA7gdKo8CGio9OAI
I just found out about a month ago I'll get 170 bucks less than what was promised this year. The same thing happened back during 2011, where I only got like 25% of what I was owed. I've NEVER gotten the full amount since buying my home in 2005. All told, I'm probably down somewhere in the neighborhood of 500-750 dollars just in property tax refunds because the county isn't taking in as much as needed to cover this.
This is before you even get to any of the sales tax stuff. I'm not sure I need to bore with the fact the 6 cars I've purchased in the last twenty some odd years each came built in with a $100 donation to the stadium fund. Nor do I need to tell you that every time I buy a new TV I throw in 5 bucks to the tray. Nor do I need to guesstimate that at average of $500 dollars I spend a year on new clothes has produced another couple hundred bucks for the pile. Or the nickels I get charged every 12 pack or buy. Or so on and so on.
Do I need to tell you that we just passed a huge transportation levy and that are taxes are now the 3rd highest in the state. What about jails? Want to talk about how are jails are overcrowded or how the county is broke, and how we can't afford to raise funds for all sorts of things?
Look, if you want to have discussion about this that's fine. But please remember that some of us are, with good reason, pretty sensitive about this issue. So the very least you could do is to put in the time to properly understand it if you'd like to jump in with those that actually pay for it.
Otherwise, it comes across as incredibly rude.
