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I submit this list of all of the Bengals' compensatory picks during the Marvin Lewis era without comment. Enjoy:
2003, 7th, DE Elton Patterson
2004, 3rd, LB Landon Johnson
2007, 7th, S Chinedum Ndukwe
2008, 3rd, WR Andre Caldwell
2008, 6th, TE Matt Sherry
2008, 7th, DE Angelo Craig
2008, 7th, WR Mario Urrutia
2009, 3rd, TE Chase Coffman
2009, 6th, RB Bernard Scott
2009, 7th, DE Clinton McDonald
2009, 7th, WR Freddie Brown
2010, 3rd, CB Brandon Ghee
2010, 4th, LB Roddrick Muckleroy
2011, 7th, RB Jay Finley
2013, 7th, OT Reid Fragel
2013, 7th, C TJ Johnson
2014, 6th, LB Marquis Flowers
2014, 7th, CB Lavelle Westbrooks
2015, 3rd, LB Paul Dawson
2014, 4th, DE Marcus Hardison
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(03-09-2017, 12:32 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I submit this list of all of the Bengals' compensatory picks during the Marvin Lewis era without comment. Enjoy:
2003, 7th, DE Elton Patterson
2004, 3rd, LB Landon Johnson
2007, 7th, S Chinedum Ndukwe
2008, 3rd, WR Andre Caldwell
2008, 6th, TE Matt Sherry
2008, 7th, DE Angelo Craig
2008, 7th, WR Mario Urrutia
2009, 3rd, TE Chase Coffman
2009, 6th, RB Bernard Scott
2009, 7th, DE Clinton McDonald
2009, 7th, WR Freddie Brown
2010, 3rd, CB Brandon Ghee
2010, 4th, LB Roddrick Muckleroy
2011, 7th, RB Jay Finley
2013, 7th, OT Reid Fragel
2013, 7th, C TJ Johnson
2014, 6th, LB Marquis Flowers
2014, 7th, CB Lavelle Westbrooks
2015, 3rd, LB Paul Dawson
2014, 4th, DE Marcus Hardison
Another gut punch from seeing Bengal facts in black and white. If anyone ever puts all these awful stats and lists together in one place, I will end up murdering myself for stupidity. The litany of it all is overwhelming.
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(03-09-2017, 12:41 AM)McC Wrote: Another gut punch from seeing Bengal facts in black and white. If anyone ever puts all these awful stats and lists together in one place, I will end up murdering myself for stupidity. The litany of it all is overwhelming.
Not your fault!
Just look at who's in charge of the Bengals and all is explained.
When I think of the worst possible thing that could happen to the Pittsburgh Steelers I think of somehow or other Mikey Brown inheriting that team and appointing himself as the GM and player personnel expert.
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I'm a hostage. And while I haven't had the guts to make a break for it, at least I haven't come down with Stockholm Syndrome.
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It's not all bad. Pats comps since Brady in 2000. Which was a total fluke.
Patriots comp picks
2016: Round 3, No. 96 – Vincent Valentine, DT, Nebraska
2016: Round 6, No. 208 – Kamu Grugier-Hill, LB, Eastern Illinois
2016: Round 6, No. 214 – Elandon Roberts, LB, Houston
2016: Round 6, No. 221 – Ted Karras, G, Illinois
2015: Round 3, No. 97 – Geneo Grissom, DE, Oklahoma
2015: Round 7, No. 253 – Xzavier Dickson, DE, Alabama
2014: Round 4, No. 140 – Cameron Fleming, OT, Stanford
2010: Round 6, No. 205 – Ted Larsen, C, North Carolina State
2010: Round 7, No. 247 – Brandon Deaderick, DT, Alabama
2010: Round 7, No. 248 – Kade Weston, DT, Georgia
2010: Round 7, No. 250 – Zac Robinson, QB, Oklahoma State
2009: Round 3, No. 97 – Tyrone McKenzie, LB, South Florida
2009: Round 5, No. 170 – George Bussey, G, Louisville
2009: Round 6, No. 207 – Myron Pryor, DT, Kentucky
2007: Round 5, No. 171 – Clint Oldenburg, OT, Colorado State
2007: Round 6, No. 208 – Justise Hairston, RB, Central Connecticut
2007: Round 6, No. 209 – Corey Hilliard, OT, Oklahoma State
2007: Round 7, No. 247 – Mike Elgin, C, Iowa
2006: Round 6, No. 205 – Dan Stevenson, G, Notre Dame
2006: Round 6, No. 206 – Le Kevin Smith, DT, Nebraska
2005: Round 3, No. 100 – Nick Kaczur, OT, Toledo
2005: Round 5, No. 170 – Ryan Claridge, LB, UNLV
2005: Round 7, No. 255 – Andy Stokes, TE, William Penn
2002: Round 7, No. 253 – David Givens, WR, Notre Dame
2001: Round 5, No. 163 – Hakim Akbar, S, Washington
2001: Round 6, No. 200 – Leonard Myers, CB, Miami
2001: Round 7, No. 239 – T.J. Turner, LB, Michigan State
2000: Round 4, No. 127 – Greg Randall, OT, Michigan State
2000: Round 6, No. 199 – Tom Brady, QB, Michigan
2000: Round 6, No. 201 – David Nugent, DE, Purdue
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So what you are telling me is we are due to hit on our comp picks this year?
Or are you saying package our comps in 4, 5, 6, and 7 and move up?
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(03-09-2017, 01:35 AM)OrangeLacroix Wrote: It's not all bad. Pats comps since Brady in 2000. Which was a total fluke.
Patriots comp picks
2016: Round 3, No. 96 – Vincent Valentine, DT, Nebraska
2016: Round 6, No. 208 – Kamu Grugier-Hill, LB, Eastern Illinois
2016: Round 6, No. 214 – Elandon Roberts, LB, Houston
2016: Round 6, No. 221 – Ted Karras, G, Illinois
2015: Round 3, No. 97 – Geneo Grissom, DE, Oklahoma
2015: Round 7, No. 253 – Xzavier Dickson, DE, Alabama
2014: Round 4, No. 140 – Cameron Fleming, OT, Stanford
2010: Round 6, No. 205 – Ted Larsen, C, North Carolina State
2010: Round 7, No. 247 – Brandon Deaderick, DT, Alabama
2010: Round 7, No. 248 – Kade Weston, DT, Georgia
2010: Round 7, No. 250 – Zac Robinson, QB, Oklahoma State
2009: Round 3, No. 97 – Tyrone McKenzie, LB, South Florida
2009: Round 5, No. 170 – George Bussey, G, Louisville
2009: Round 6, No. 207 – Myron Pryor, DT, Kentucky
2007: Round 5, No. 171 – Clint Oldenburg, OT, Colorado State
2007: Round 6, No. 208 – Justise Hairston, RB, Central Connecticut
2007: Round 6, No. 209 – Corey Hilliard, OT, Oklahoma State
2007: Round 7, No. 247 – Mike Elgin, C, Iowa
2006: Round 6, No. 205 – Dan Stevenson, G, Notre Dame
2006: Round 6, No. 206 – Le Kevin Smith, DT, Nebraska
2005: Round 3, No. 100 – Nick Kaczur, OT, Toledo
2005: Round 5, No. 170 – Ryan Claridge, LB, UNLV
2005: Round 7, No. 255 – Andy Stokes, TE, William Penn
2002: Round 7, No. 253 – David Givens, WR, Notre Dame
2001: Round 5, No. 163 – Hakim Akbar, S, Washington
2001: Round 6, No. 200 – Leonard Myers, CB, Miami
2001: Round 7, No. 239 – T.J. Turner, LB, Michigan State
2000: Round 4, No. 127 – Greg Randall, OT, Michigan State
2000: Round 6, No. 199 – Tom Brady, QB, Michigan
2000: Round 6, No. 201 – David Nugent, DE, Purdue
5 SB wins versus 0 playoff wins.
Doesn't justify the Bengals complete failure in their comp picks.
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(03-09-2017, 12:32 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I submit this list of all of the Bengals' compensatory picks during the Marvin Lewis era without comment. Enjoy:
2003, 7th, DE Elton Patterson
2004, 3rd, LB Landon Johnson
2007, 7th, S Chinedum Ndukwe
2008, 3rd, WR Andre Caldwell
2008, 6th, TE Matt Sherry
2008, 7th, DE Angelo Craig
2008, 7th, WR Mario Urrutia
2009, 3rd, TE Chase Coffman
2009, 6th, RB Bernard Scott
2009, 7th, DE Clinton McDonald
2009, 7th, WR Freddie Brown
2010, 3rd, CB Brandon Ghee
2010, 4th, LB Roddrick Muckleroy
2011, 7th, RB Jay Finley
2013, 7th, OT Reid Fragel
2013, 7th, C TJ Johnson
2014, 6th, LB Marquis Flowers
2014, 7th, CB Lavelle Westbrooks
2015, 3rd, LB Paul Dawson
2014, 4th, DE Marcus Hardison
Andre Caldwell and Clinton McDonald made it big -- on other teams.
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(03-09-2017, 12:32 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I submit this list of all of the Bengals' compensatory picks during the Marvin Lewis era without comment. Enjoy:
2003, 7th, DE Elton Patterson
2004, 3rd, LB Landon Johnson
2007, 7th, S Chinedum Ndukwe
2008, 3rd, WR Andre Caldwell
2008, 6th, TE Matt Sherry
2008, 7th, DE Angelo Craig
2008, 7th, WR Mario Urrutia
2009, 3rd, TE Chase Coffman
2009, 6th, RB Bernard Scott
2009, 7th, DE Clinton McDonald
2009, 7th, WR Freddie Brown
2010, 3rd, CB Brandon Ghee
2010, 4th, LB Roddrick Muckleroy
2011, 7th, RB Jay Finley
2013, 7th, OT Reid Fragel
2013, 7th, C TJ Johnson
2014, 6th, LB Marquis Flowers
2014, 7th, CB Lavelle Westbrooks
2015, 3rd, LB Paul Dawson
2014, 4th, DE Marcus Hardison
Some of these late round picks made the team and hung around on special teams or more. Some were starters. You take any teams list of 6th or 7th round picks and it is not going to have you very impressed. This is why they hardly cover the draft on TV after a few rounds, focusing on who teams took in early rounds. Of course there are some mid round picks in here. Ndukwe not bad for a 7th round. I forgot Scott a 6th round pick. Too bad he was often injured because he had some speed, just often injured. ......but it does show why these mid to late round comp picks nothing to jump up and down about, and why on last day of the draft you might be better off getting out that weekend and reading about the scrub picks later.
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First of all it is silly to look at compensation picks in a vacuum. For example, if we don't take Ghee in the third in '10 then we might have used our 4th round pick on a CB instead of Geno Atkins. Comp picks change the entire draft, not just one specific pick.
Second, most of these picks came late in the draft, so if you compare them to any other teams you will see just as many flops.
Pretty common move around here. Post some random information without any real context i.e. "witthout comments" and then try to act like it makes the Bengals look bad.
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(03-09-2017, 09:42 AM)fredtoast Wrote: First of all it is silly to look at compensation picks in a vacuum. For example, if we don't take Ghee in the third in '10 then we might have used our 4th round pick on a CB instead of Geno Atkins. Comp picks change the entire draft, not just one specific pick.
Second, most of these picks came late in the draft, so if you compare them to any other teams you will see just as many flops.
Pretty common move around here. Post some random information without any real context i.e. "witthout comments" and then try to act like it makes the Bengals look bad.
That's the point! If compensatory are late and are most likely flops, then why do we value them so much?
Look at the quote from Hobson:
" And they won’t sign any unrestricted free agents to avoid harming their haul of compensatory draft picks for 2018."
http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Dre-plays-on-with-Bengals-Whats-next/a87a5caf-4f9d-4764-a06e-bc76b7801261
Gotta protect those precious comp picks since they have paid some big big dividends in the past!
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(03-10-2017, 10:41 AM)BleedNOrange Wrote: That's the point! If compensatory are late and are most likely flops, then why do we value them so much?
Look at the quote from Hobson:
"And they won’t sign any unrestricted free agents to avoid harming their haul of compensatory draft picks for 2018."
http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Dre-plays-on-with-Bengals-Whats-next/a87a5caf-4f9d-4764-a06e-bc76b7801261
Gotta protect those precious comp picks since they have paid some big big dividends in the past!
Well, right now, they better protect that 3rd round Comp pick for Zeitler. May as well get something decent in return.
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This list will look the same for all teams
But our list will be longer than most because for some reason we treat comp picks as assets. We're ok with resigning a Brandon Tate over a Marvin Jones because a Tate deal saves money AND nets a comp pick when he signs elsewhere. Not many other teams put as much value in comp picks as we do.
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(03-09-2017, 01:35 AM)OrangeLacroix Wrote: It's not all bad. Pats comps since Brady in 2000. Which was a total fluke.
Patriots comp picks
2016: Round 3, No. 96 – Vincent Valentine, DT, Nebraska
2016: Round 6, No. 208 – Kamu Grugier-Hill, LB, Eastern Illinois
2016: Round 6, No. 214 – Elandon Roberts, LB, Houston
2016: Round 6, No. 221 – Ted Karras, G, Illinois
2015: Round 3, No. 97 – Geneo Grissom, DE, Oklahoma
2015: Round 7, No. 253 – Xzavier Dickson, DE, Alabama
2014: Round 4, No. 140 – Cameron Fleming, OT, Stanford
2010: Round 6, No. 205 – Ted Larsen, C, North Carolina State
2010: Round 7, No. 247 – Brandon Deaderick, DT, Alabama
2010: Round 7, No. 248 – Kade Weston, DT, Georgia
2010: Round 7, No. 250 – Zac Robinson, QB, Oklahoma State
2009: Round 3, No. 97 – Tyrone McKenzie, LB, South Florida
2009: Round 5, No. 170 – George Bussey, G, Louisville
2009: Round 6, No. 207 – Myron Pryor, DT, Kentucky
2007: Round 5, No. 171 – Clint Oldenburg, OT, Colorado State
2007: Round 6, No. 208 – Justise Hairston, RB, Central Connecticut
2007: Round 6, No. 209 – Corey Hilliard, OT, Oklahoma State
2007: Round 7, No. 247 – Mike Elgin, C, Iowa
2006: Round 6, No. 205 – Dan Stevenson, G, Notre Dame
2006: Round 6, No. 206 – Le Kevin Smith, DT, Nebraska
2005: Round 3, No. 100 – Nick Kaczur, OT, Toledo
2005: Round 5, No. 170 – Ryan Claridge, LB, UNLV
2005: Round 7, No. 255 – Andy Stokes, TE, William Penn
2002: Round 7, No. 253 – David Givens, WR, Notre Dame
2001: Round 5, No. 163 – Hakim Akbar, S, Washington
2001: Round 6, No. 200 – Leonard Myers, CB, Miami
2001: Round 7, No. 239 – T.J. Turner, LB, Michigan State
2000: Round 4, No. 127 – Greg Randall, OT, Michigan State
2000: Round 6, No. 199 – Tom Brady, QB, Michigan
2000: Round 6, No. 201 – David Nugent, DE, Purdue
I perfectly understand what you're saying that very few teams even the most successful hit on Comp picks. With that being said though New England is someone who does not place the emphasis on Comp picks that we do. They sign free agents, they make trades, they are active!
Our team chooses to do nothing because the message they sent to us is the comp pics are so valuable.
Let's be realistic New England has clearly been a model franchise. We can say hey they got lucky getting Tom Brady in the sixth round but how many moves have they made over the years to ensure their franchise remains a Super Bowl contender year after year either by trades or dipping their toes into free agency?
They obviously don't always hit but they're unafraid to take a chance and more often than not their moves pay off
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(03-10-2017, 11:47 AM)Deanlj69 Wrote: I perfectly understand what you're saying that very few teams even the most successful hit on Comp picks. With that being said though New England is someone who does not place the emphasis on Comp picks that we do. They sign free agents, they make trades, they are active!
Our team chooses to do nothing because the message they sent to us is the comp pics are so valuable.
Let's be realistic New England has clearly been a model franchise. We can say hey they got lucky getting Tom Brady in the sixth round but how many moves have they made over the years to ensure their franchise remains a Super Bowl contender year after year either by trades or dipping their toes into free agency?
They obviously don't always hit but they're unafraid to take a chance and more often than not their moves pay off
The compensatory picks are just PR speak by the Bengals.
They set a value that they'll pay for guys. Then if a team offers over that...they let them leave. They then use the Compensatory pick as if it were a calculated strategy...because they know that fans think most guys drafted will be good starters or stars.
In reality, they let guys that are Top 10 players on the team go and replace them with the special teamers listed above.
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(03-10-2017, 02:57 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: The compensatory picks are just PR speak by the Bengals.
They set a value that they'll pay for guys. Then if a team offers over that...they let them leave. They then use the Compensatory pick as if it were a calculated strategy...because they know that fans think most guys drafted will be good starters or stars.
In reality, they let guys that are Top 10 players on the team go and replace them with the special teamers listed above.
I completely agree with you but there are many who regurgitate what the front office spews as if it is some sort of grand plan that pays dividends.
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(03-10-2017, 11:24 AM)Housh Wrote: This list will look the same for all teams
But our list will be longer than most because for some reason we treat comp picks as assets. We're ok with resigning a Brandon Tate over a Marvin Jones because a Tate deal saves money AND nets a comp pick when he signs elsewhere. Not many other teams put as much value in comp picks as we do.
We signed Brandon LaFell for $1 million and got 64 rec, 862 yds, 6tds.
Detroit gave Marvin Jones $40 million and got 55 rec, 930 yds, 4 tds.
Plus the Bengals get an extra draft pick.
Maybe you should have used another example to show how stupid the Bengals are.
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My "issue" with overemphasis on compensatory picks is simple: It has little to do with success in the current season. The Bengals act like a woman who spends all her time planning her future wedding without getting a ring first.
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And we refuse to sign any unrestricted free agents this year because "comp picks."
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(03-09-2017, 12:55 AM)McC Wrote: I'm a hostage. And while I haven't had the guts to make a break for it, at least I haven't come down with Stockholm Syndrome.
My anger is finally subsiding. I've written this year off already. Maybe we can use our #1 draft pick next year on an O lineman.
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