John Ross will be a Bengal

[mikey6866]

Please bengals draft john ross. I dont understand why you wouldent want him for the sheer fact his speed absolutely changes the way defenses would have to play us. Not to mention hes not just a speed guy...he is actually a great wr who happens to be really really fast. Any player can get injured and injuries will happen all the time to big and small players. He passed medical checks so im no more worried about him than any other guy.

[McC]

(04-27-2017, 04:27 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: John Ross is looking like he might slip into Round 2 due to medical concerns. Two meniscus tears, an ACL surgery, and a shoulder injury... for a 188 lb WR.

So of course the Bengals will take him 9th overall!

No ***** way he gets anywhere near the second round, whether the Bengals take him at none or not.  No way in hell.

[TKUHL]

I think the 4.22 is seriously f*+king up the judgement of some.

[McC]

(04-27-2017, 06:29 PM)TKUHL Wrote: I think the 4.22 is seriously f*+king up the judgement of some.

No.  You just have a warped perception of the guy and little to no understanding of the player he is.

[Socal Bengals fan]

Has nothing to do with 4.22. Even if he's a 4.4 guy he's a playmaker n possible 1st rounder

[mhbsavant]

(04-27-2017, 04:45 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: If Jonathan Allen is there then i absolutely take him over Ross. I agree. 

I'm telling you, Give me Corey Davis - He is fast, elusive and 6'3"

Forgot a little a** 5'8" receiver, that has 2 knee surgeries.
https://youtu.be/mnqO2WvKoTM?t=1m9s

[Pat5775]

I'd be perfectly fine with this. So long as we address the OL in the second/third

[PDub80]

(04-27-2017, 05:46 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Right, because obviously there has never been a decent WR who was 5'11 or shorter except maybe a couple of guys like...

Odell beckham
Antonio Brown
Wes welker
DeSean jackson
Steve Smith
Randall Cobb
Brandon cooks
T.Y Hilton
Doug Baldwin
Doug Jennings
Golden tate

I understand that shorter guys can be great WRs.

I don't think the Bengals would benefit from a smaller player on the outside was my main point. The Bengals want to run the football and want their WRs to block. They already have a slot guy in Boyd, whom they just drafted last year.

I also hate his injury history.

As a round 1 pick, I don't love it. If they must go WR, I prefer Davis over Ross.

Obviously, if they draft Ross I will want him to be stratospherically successful. We shall see!

[TKUHL]

OH BS if this guy ran a 4.4 everyone would hate the pick as well and talk about how injury prone he is. You guys can convince yourself all you want about how great of a pick this is, I'm not buying it. There are plenty of fast WR's in this draft that will be there in the 4th round and up.

[McC]

(04-27-2017, 07:20 PM)TKUHL Wrote: OH BS if this guy ran a 4.4 everyone would hate the pick as well and talk about how injury prone he is. You guys can convince yourself all you want about how great of a pick this is, I'm not buying it. There are plenty of fast WR's in this draft that will be there in the 4th round and up.

Fast is only one thing he is.  He has great skill.  DeSean Jackson was asked to mentor him and said he didn't think there was much he could teach him.  You seem to be the one most hung up on his speed.  You;re so hung up on it that you're completely ignoring his other capabilities.  And hell no, you won't find one of him in the fourth.

[BengalFanInNJ]

Got this from BigBlueInteractive.com (Giants fan website). I didn't know Ross played defense for a few games as well.




JOHN ROSS
College: Washington Number: 1
Height: 5-11 Weight: 188
Position: WR Pos2: KR Class/Draft Year: rJr/2017
40 Low: 4.16 40 Time: 4.22 40 High: 4.32

Overview

A true one-year starter at Washington, Ross is an elite athlete and shows impressive polish for a player who switched between offense and defense his first two seasons and then missed all of the 2015 campaign due to knee injuries. He was the Huskies kickoff return man as a true freshman and returned a 100-yard kick for a touchdown, adding nickel corner responsibilities on defense and 16 receptions for 208 yards and a score on offense. Ross started his sophomore season on offense and posted 17 receptions for 371 yards and four scores before making the switch to defense after cornerback Marcus Peters was dismissed -- started four games at cornerback in 2014, finishing with 16 tackles and one interception. He was expected to focus full-time at receiver in 2015, but missed the season due to knee injuries. Ross returned healthy in 2016 and had a career-season with a team-best 81 receptions for 1,150 yards and 17 touchdowns (Pac-12 best) to earn First Team All-Pac 12 and All-America honors (second team).

Ross lined up all over the formation for the Huskies in 2016 and was a nightmare for defensive backs due to his vertical speed, sudden footwork and ability to manipulate coverages as a route technician. He doesn't have ideal thickness on his frame and will struggle at times against physical press corners, but his combination of athleticism, tempo and ballskills makes him a home run threat as a receiver, ballcarrier and kick returner.

Analysis

STRENGTHS: Elite athletic traits with effortless speed and instant acceleration. Sudden release off the snap to get defenders off balance from the start -- no wasted steps, each move has a purpose. Explosive start/stop plant-and-burst, not having to gear down in his movements. Polished route runner with the savvy to set up defenders and the body control to snap out of his breaks. Deadly on double-moves with secondary burst downfield to create late separation -- often out-runs his quarterback as well, having to slow down on deep patterns to catch the ball in stride. Nose for the end zone with 17 receiving touchdowns in 2016, which ranked third in the FBS. Natural tracking the ball over his shoulder. Hand-eye coordinator to cleanly snatch, extending well to attack away from his body. Not afraid to get physical to beat the jam or get dirty as a blocker. Impact potential as a kick returner, averaging 24.4 yards in college and setting a new Washington record for kick return yardage (2,069) and touchdowns (four, including two 100-plus yards). Invested the necessary time to develop as a route runner and responds well to tough coaching -- low key personality and keeps a positive mind-set (wants to be a future coach). Finishes his career with the school record for 50+ receptions in a season (six) and career (11).

WEAKNESSES: Average height for the position with lean muscle tone and minimal growth potential. Doesn't have the body power to consistently create after first contact as a ballcarrier. Can be bumped off his route by physical corners and didn't consistently face press coverage in the Pac-12. High percentage of his catches were made in space and wasn't consistently asked to finish contested passes on tape. Tends to body catch when the ball is thrown at his numbers and will have his share of focus drops and double-catches. Needs to improve his ball security when fighting for extra yardage -- lost fumble at Washington State (Nov. 2016) and vs. Alabama (Dec. 2016). Only four career punt returns on his college resume for 21 yards (5.3 average). Injured his right knee (Sept. 2014, but didn't miss any games) and underwent postseason surgery (Jan. 2015) to repair two meniscus tears -- returned a few months later in the spring and suffered a torn ACL in his left knee, which required another surgery (April 2015).

NFL COMPARISON -- Brandin Cooks, New Orleans Saints: Despite being undersized like Cooks, Ross has the route running skills and athletic prowess to get open and be a big play target like the Saints receiver.

2016 Season

Finished the season with 17 touchdown receptions, the second-highest total in both UW and Pac-12 history (one shy of Mario Bailey's record of 18) ... third in the NCAA-FBS in TD receptions ... also 29th in the nation in scoring ... 81 receptions were third-most in UW history while 1,150 yards were fourth-most ... returned to the field after a year off in a big way in the season-opening win over Rutgers, scoring three TDs in the win ... returned his fourth career kickoff for a touchdown, breaking the UW record (formerly 3, Jim Krieg, 1970-71) ... scored on a 92-yard return, his fifth career scoring play of 90 yards or more ... also caught touchdown passes of 38 and 50 yards ... finished the Rutgers game with a team-high five catches for 90 yards ... named the team's offensive player of the week for the Rutgers game ... career-high seven receptions for 67 yards and two touchdowns in the Husky win over Idaho ... had one catch for 10 yards in the win over Portland State ... scored on a 32-yard run and on a 12-yard reception in the win at Arizona ... had four catches for 28 yards vs. the Wildcats ... caught four passes for 82 yards and a touchdown in the win over No. 7 Stanford ... career-high nine catches and three touchdowns (tied for second-most in UW history) on 94 yards in Washington's victory at Oregon ... 4 receptions for 115 yards in Washington's win over Oregon State ... caught four passes for 48 yards and two touchdowns in the win over No. 17 Utah ... named the coaches' offensive player of the game and the Pac-12 Player of the Week after a huge game at Cal, when he piled up 208 receiving yards and three touchdowns on six receptions ... 154 yards, including a 70-yard touchdown, on eight catches against USC ... career-high 12 receptions (tied fourth-most ever at UW) in the win over Arizona State ... totaled 95 yards against the Sun Devils ... eight catches for 88 yards and a TD in the Apple Cup win over Washington State ... four receptions for 51 yards, including a spectacular, 19-yard TD, in the Pac-12 Championship game vs. Colorado ... five catches for 28 yards vs. Alabama in the Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl.

2015 Season

Redshirted the 2015 season due to an injury suffered in the spring.

2014 Season

Earned honorable mention All-Pac-12 as a return specialist ... played in 13 of 14 games, starting seven, three at wide receiver and four at cornerback ... also the UW's top kickoff return man ... scored seven total touchdowns in 2014, from 91, 20, 55, 75, 86, 100 and 96 yards, an average of 75 yards per touchdown play ... notched two kickoff returns for touchdowns in 2014, tying the UW single-season (2, Jim Krieg, 1970) and career (3, Krieg, 1970-71) records ... has two 100-yard kickoff returns in his career: one in the 2013 Fight Hunger Bowl (last season) and one vs. UCLA this season ... has accounted for two of the five 100-yard plays in UW history (others by Shaq Thompson on a fumble return, Paul Arnold on a kick return and Hugh McElhenny on a punt return) ... scored on a 20-yard run and a 91-yard pass (second-longest in UW history) in the Huskies' season-opening win at Hawai'i ... scored on a 55-yard pass in the win over EWU ... scored on a 75-yard reception vs. Arizona State ... moved to cornerback vs. UCLA, finishing with two tackles, but also ran a kickoff back 100 yards for a touchdown ... played cornerback exclusively (other than kick returns) at Arizona, where he made four tackles ... started at cornerback once again vs. Oregon State, finishing the game with five total tackles, plus three kickoff returns for 82 yards ... saw some action at wide receiver vs. WSU, but started at cornerback, notching his first interception ... also had three tackles in the Apple Cup ... scored on a 96-yard kickoff return vs. Oklahoma State in the Cactus Bowl, when he also had a pair of tackles as a starting cornerback. in the win at California, when he had four total receptions for 118 yards, both career highs ... had two rushed for 44 yards and three receptions for 15 yards at Oregon ... one catch and one rushing attempt in the win over lllinois, when he had two catches for the game ... also had a 54-yard kickoff return vs. the Illini ... sat out the Georgia State game ... three catches for 16 yards vs. Stanford ... caught an 86-yard TD

2013 Season

Played in all 13 games as a true freshman ... won the Travis Spring Most Outstanding Freshman award ... four catches for 39 yards in the season-opener vs. Boise State, when he also returned two kickoffs ... one catch, plus four kick returns, in the win at Illinois ... scored on a 57-yard pass from Cyler Miles vs. Idaho State ... made two catches and also returned a punt and two kicks at Stanford ... made one reception and returned four kickoffs vs. Oregon ... one catch for seven yards and one carry for three in the win at Oregon State ... had one reception vs. the Beavers, but also returned the opening kickoff 62 yards ... also played both offense and defense vs. Washington State ... scored on a 100-yard kickoff return in Washington's win over BYU in the Fight Hunger Bowl, just the second 100-yard kick return in Husky history ... also had an 11-yard carry and a 21-yard kick return in the bowl game.in the win over Colorado ... no catches, but two kick returns at UCLA ... played both receiver, cornerback and returner in the win over California ... two catches for 21 yards plus two kick returns for 34 yards, at Arizona State ... also had five kick returns for 135 yards, including a 49-yarder, at ASU ... three catches for 50 yards, plus three kick returns for 60 yards,

Injury Report

Has suffered a torn ACL in his right knee and torn meniscus in his left, sitting out the 2015 season after being injured during the spring.

2015: Redshirted the 2015 season due to an injury suffered in the spring.

High School

Named the Moore League Offensive Player of the Year as a senior in 2012 ... played wide receiver and cornerback and returned kicks and punts for Jordan ... named a second-team all-state multi-purpose player by CalHiSports.com ... played in the Semper Fidelis All-American Bowl following senior season ... also chosen to play in the 2012 Cal State Game ... named the Moore League Co-Player of the Year as a junior ... caught 56 catches for 994 yards and had six kick and punt returns for touchdowns as a junior ... named in the Tacoma News-Tribune "Western 100" ... ranked the No. 14 "athlete" recruit in the nation by MaxPreps.com ... listed as the nation's No. 15 wide receiver recruit and No. 113 overall prospect in the county by scout.com ... ranked the No. 57 prospect in California by rivals.com ... also a sprinter on the track team, taking second in the 100 meters at the Moore League meet as a junior in 2012 ... played football for coach Thomas Barnes.

[Trademark]

(04-27-2017, 04:59 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Really IF Fournette goes at 4...we're not in a great spot at 9. I'd rather have us trade down with maybe Cleveland to 12 and pick up an extra 3rd Round pick.

If we could package a 3rd and 4th then for another 2nd...that would be great!

I'm thinking 49ers might surprise everyone and take Fournette.

[Benton]

I've said it in other threads, but I'll say it again. Bad pick

[TKUHL]

(04-27-2017, 07:40 PM)McC Wrote: Fast is only one thing he is.  He has great skill.  DeSean Jackson was asked to mentor him and said he didn't think there was much he could teach him.  You seem to be the one most hung up on his speed.  You;re so hung up on it that you're completely ignoring his other capabilities.  And hell no, you won't find one of him in the fourth.

No I think his speed is the only reason everyone is delusional about this guy. Why else would everyone be so excited over a 5'11 180 lb WR at 9. To say there is nobody in the forth on like this guy is crazy. Josh Reynolds could be a pretty good player, DeDe Westbrook will slide he's got just as good a chance to be a good NFL player. KD Canon could be another. JuJu and Kupp might be great players but of course they didnt run a 4.22. Thats all it is. No reason to take a burner who's wheels are falling off.

[J24]

Ross wouldn't be a bad pick unless Thomas or Allen are there.

[jj22]

There's got to be some better players available over Ross at 9. Someone will slip. Maybe a trade back scenario.

[THE PISTONS]

(04-27-2017, 08:44 PM)jj22 Wrote: There's got to be some better players available over Ross at 9. Someone will slip. Maybe a trade back scenario.

Yeah I agree. It's a reach for medical reasons. Some teams have totally taken him off of their board for these.

[Essex Johnson]

(04-27-2017, 04:48 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Allen also has health concerns (arthritic shoulders). He's able to play (and play well) with this, but it's something that could affect him years down the road.
The point I'm trying to make if you're willing to take the gamble on Allen, you should be willing to take the same gamble on Ross.
If you're not willing to gamble on Ross because of health concerns, you should also be hesitant of Jonathan Allen.

Those two players are not apples to apples.. Allen is rated as probably top 2-4 player in draft.. Ross ranking is much lower.. he is only higher in this draft since WRs are so weak..  DE is not weak and look where Allen is ranked anyone. 

I would prefer to take a chance on a BMW with 100,000 miles than a Ford Focus with the same miles. 

[Essex Johnson]

(04-27-2017, 06:58 PM)mhbsavant Wrote: I'm telling you, Give me Corey Davis - He is fast, elusive and 6'3"

Forgot a little a** 5'8" receiver, that has 2 knee surgeries.
https://youtu.be/mnqO2WvKoTM?t=1m9s

Give me neither.. pass on WR in first round.. go DE/LB or Howard if there

[cincyfan429]

Go Ruben Foster or Mike Williams