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(11-30-2017, 02:48 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Which is organizational culture. They believe they will win and make it so.
People think we made dramatic changes to run the ball against the Browns because they have a generally good defense. I'd argue that we succeeded because we had confidence and blocked harder. Having confidence against an 0-10 thing is one thing. Having it against an 8-2 team is another.
True on the culture.
And i do agree it is a confidence issue for sure, but i think that passive blocking we have been doing all year makes
it nearly impossible for the O-line to gain any confidence. It is natural for O-lineman to want to block aggressively
and knock the Defense on their ass. Not play timid, passive and on your heels.
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(11-30-2017, 03:34 PM)bengalguy71 Wrote: Still missed the point, it's not a game against the Steelers that's an excuse. It's just a little help for the NFL darlings BY the NFL at the time.
Mike Brown is the only one responsible and accountable for the last 26 years because he is the ONLY one who has control of every staff member beneath him.
Paul Brown's reign was not failure with 2 SB appearances. I truly believe if MB had the same personality and football mind his dad had, this team would be close to the Broncos journey. Losing the first 2 SBs then getting a few rings down the road.
Look at the Bills, many say they are failures because they lost 4 SBs, but many forget that they went to 4 SBs in a row! That feat will probably NEVER happen again!!
Agreed. A lot of Paul Brown's "failures" were during a different era. There were A LOT fewer playoff eligible teams in those days, and he started from scratch. I'm going off memory, but it seems I recall a few ten win teams under his watch that missed the playoffs back then.
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(11-30-2017, 03:59 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Which is why watching the game on TV is far better than watching the game at the stadium (unless you are pretty close up).
And don't give me the "atmosphere" crap because the atmosphere at PBS is not good at all. The best part of going to a game IMO is the tailgating before the game, which isn't the stadium atmosphere itself.
Plus,who the hell wants to sit next to a bunch of grown men who handle their alcohol worse than frat boys?
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(11-29-2017, 08:07 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yeah I don't think they determine the outcome. I think they may make favorable calls for popular teams to get ratings up.
I don't think the Bengals haven't won a playoff game in 26+ years because of a conspiracy. We're just poorly managed.
100% with you. I wasn't excusing the Bengals in any way, shape or form.
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(11-30-2017, 05:39 PM)Wyche Wrote: Agreed. A lot of Paul Brown's "failures" were during a different era. There were A LOT fewer playoff eligible teams in those days, and he started from scratch. I'm going off memory, but it seems I recall a few ten win teams under his watch that missed the playoffs back then.
GREAT memory my good friend!
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Interesting thread. Kudos to those who brought up the comparison of strong NFL markets to strong NCAA markets, that's interesting stuff.
Bottom line is, the NFL doesn't have to be fixed in the Montreal-Screwjob sense. It nearly always comes down to a handful of plays that are the difference in the game, so if one team tends to get the calls over another that's enough. They don't care if the darling teams are 16-0 or 10-6, as long as they get into the playoffs most of the time. So more subtle nudges a few times per game is enough on average to get the outcomes they wish. Like loaded dice in a casino, sometimes the house still loses....
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I thought it would be cool to try and type with gloves on but I'm not making any mistakes. Never-mind. Lost my train of thought. Steelers suck. Refs suck. We suck. LOL. I think I just covered it all!
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(12-01-2017, 12:29 AM)MaineBengal Wrote: Interesting thread. Kudos to those who brought up the comparison of strong NFL markets to strong NCAA markets, that's interesting stuff.
Bottom line is, the NFL doesn't have to be fixed in the Montreal-Screwjob sense. It nearly always comes down to a handful of plays that are the difference in the game, so if one team tends to get the calls over another that's enough. They don't care if the darling teams are 16-0 or 10-6, as long as they get into the playoffs most of the time. So more subtle nudges a few times per game is enough on average to get the outcomes they wish. Like loaded dice in a casino, sometimes the house still loses....
I agree with this
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The Bengals have been such an outlier since MB's tenure for lack of playoff success...that there HAS to be some explanation, right? Unfortunately, that explanation is just poor ownership and not conspiracy.
It's hard for fans to admit that they own Enron stock and are following it closely hoping for it to turn around.
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(12-01-2017, 12:29 AM)MaineBengal Wrote: Interesting thread. Kudos to those who brought up the comparison of strong NFL markets to strong NCAA markets, that's interesting stuff.
Bottom line is, the NFL doesn't have to be fixed in the Montreal-Screwjob sense. It nearly always comes down to a handful of plays that are the difference in the game, so if one team tends to get the calls over another that's enough. They don't care if the darling teams are 16-0 or 10-6, as long as they get into the playoffs most of the time. So more subtle nudges a few times per game is enough on average to get the outcomes they wish. Like loaded dice in a casino, sometimes the house still loses....
Kind of why you see a timely holding call, when it has blatantly been going on all game and not called....
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(12-01-2017, 02:11 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: The Bengals have been such an outlier since MB's tenure for lack of playoff success...that there HAS to be some explanation, right? Unfortunately, that explanation is just poor ownership and not conspiracy.
It's hard for fans to admit that they own Enron stock and are following it closely hoping for it to turn around.
Pretty much!
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I won't watch because I don't want to see, not just a beat down, but the Steelers strutting around The Jungle with their hip-hop boogaloo garbage.
The Steelers know they have been in the Bengals heads now for the past 26 years!! Monday night will be NO different. The Steelers will push their buttons again, and celebrate for 60 minutes of play!!
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This being called a catch, even after replay, says it all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbz0o0spEgk
If you don't think the refs "influence" games. The joke is on you. And not just the Bengals. Back before Al Davis passed away, the Raiders were always on the bad end of the stick.
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(11-29-2017, 04:52 PM)Devils Advocate Wrote: I don’t know man. If they were trying to give the Steelers an advantage by suspending Burfict, wouldn’t they’ve suspended him for the upcoming game too?
They cut off the proverbial head of the snake. He was one player that gave our team an attitude. The bully got punched back in the nose and sure as hell didn't like the way the blood tasted. So, they target him and have him afraid to even make a tackle.
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