4th Rd Pick

[bengals67]

(04-08-2018, 10:08 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The three teams in our division all feature 3-4 defenses, with a rather large and powerful NT, head up on the Center.

the exact weakness of Bodine.

Please do not draft or start a center who gets thrown in Andy's face a couple of times each game.

[Mike M (the other one)]

Ok first off, Walter has a problem with the Bengals. so I'd use another site to play this game.
I don't care for any of the picks he's given us, I can handle the Daniels pick, but not that high. Better value still there. He's too light and carries a checkered past, that's why Walter has us drafting him, every year Walter gives us plenty of those types. He's still a project. (I can't seem to get Rd 2 to load), but someone said Brown was there as well, that's who you take. Someone that's not such a project, we can't afford to wait on a project at this time.

Based on what I see: Shaqueen Griffin or Azeem Victor, then Skyler Phillips and Chukwuman Okorafor as a last option since we got a T in round 2.

[Bilbo Saggins]

Ragnow in 4 would be a ludicrous steal.  

Michael Gallup would be great value - again I doubt that he's there that late, but would jump all over him if he were.  

J.C. Jackson and Griffen would be tempting here.  

My personal favorite for a 4th round sleeper is Kendrick Norton, DT Miami.  He could play the role that Peko used to so that the pass rusher specialists can play a little more loosely and not have to worry about the run as much.  Walt doesn't have him going until the 6th.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

I go with Ragnow here or Griffin, but i give the edge to Ragnow, he has way more core strength than Daniels.

The loser of the Center battle can battle for the RG position.

[SunsetBengal]

(04-09-2018, 03:24 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I go with Ragnow here or Griffin, but i give the edge to Ragnow, he has way more core strength than Daniels.

The loser of the Center battle can battle for the RG position.

Having two of the top Center candidates to battle it out in camp?

Man, what a tough problem to have..  

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(04-09-2018, 03:34 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Having two of the top Center candidates to battle it out in camp?

Man, what a tough problem to have..  

Thats right bud, competition breeds excellence. Would be willing to bet if we had both Daniels and Ragnow, Ragnow would
beat him out at Center. He is what Pollack has been saying he wants. Honestly don't know why so many have Daniels mocked
to us everywhere. People sure aren't listening to our O-line coach, he said he wants smart and nasty.

He wants another Travis Frederick, that is Ragnow or Price, not Daniels.

Don't even know if Daniels would make a good RG with his lack of core strength, he would seem to fit more of a LG and we
already have a couple decent ones on the team in Boling and Westerman.

[*bfine32*]

(04-09-2018, 04:31 AM)Jpoore Wrote: I respect you bfine, but ur wrong here. Hargrave is extremely powerful, but he isn't very heavy. 
Browns run a 4-3 3-4 hybrid. They will draft a big guy in the draft. And Baltimore just isn't good. But there was literally nobody talking about Daniels over price before the combine. It's a classic combine over tape. Prices tape is better than anybodys(yes including rangow as well) but he got hurt. Every   Dt he will go up against will have more core strength than Daniels. I also question his mental capability. He looked confused, got burnt bad, and pushed back against the only good team he faced with a Dt in Penn State. It's not about heavy footed, it's about not drafting another bodine, which is what would happen if we took Daniels(getting pushed back every play).

Folks started talking Daniels over price as soon as he declared.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(04-09-2018, 04:27 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Folks started talking Daniels over price as soon as he declared.

For a pass first Offense, we are a run first Offense from everything the coaches are saying.

I don't expect us to Draft Daniels unless he falls to the 2nd and both Ragnow and Price are gone.

He is a great techincian for an up tempo passing Offense. We need a road grader that won't get pushed back into Dalton.

[3wt]

(04-09-2018, 05:01 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: For a pass first Offense, we are a run first Offense from everything the coaches are saying.

I don't expect us to Draft Daniels unless he falls to the 2nd and both Ragnow and Price are gone.

He is a great techincian for an up tempo passing Offense. We need a road grader that won't get pushed back into Dalton.

Agree with this.

And I don't know for certain that Daniels can't handle that type of situation.  Pouncey seems that type of player and he's been a stud.

But Lazor likes them big, Pollack tends to build with big players,  they all like them nasty.   Ragnow and Price fit that role, and everyone has been talking about how good Ragnow looks on film and tested in his pro day.   If we want him I think we'll have to take him in the first.   IF  Price is there in the 2nd, I have no problem taking him as a right guard.

But I think the Bengals are targeting one of those two.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(04-13-2018, 03:17 PM)3wt Wrote: Agree with this.

And I don't know for certain that Daniels can't handle that type of situation.  Pouncey seems that type of player and he's been a stud.

But Lazor likes them big, Pollack tends to build with big players,  they all like them nasty.   Ragnow and Price fit that role, and everyone has been talking about how good Ragnow looks on film and tested in his pro day.   If we want him I think we'll have to take him in the first.   IF  Price is there in the 2nd, I have no problem taking him as a right guard.

But I think the Bengals are targeting one of those two.

Yep and honestly i don't understand the people thinking we will take Daniels, he is just not a fit plain and simple.

Would he be better than Bodine? Of course he would, but still doesn't mean he is the type of Center Pollack and Lazor want.

We saw that scheme that Lazor put together, we heard what Pollack says he likes in his Lineman. Put it together people.

But i hope people keep pimping Daniels so he is taken first and that lets one of these two fall to us.

I am expecting Price at this point and would be happy as a clam with him even if i like Ragnow better for us.

[bengalsturntup926]

That edge guy from Ohio State forget his name

[XenoMorph]

Shaqueen Griffin LB i'd take it... if we already address OL earlier in the draft.

[XenoMorph]

(04-09-2018, 01:31 AM)Jpoore Wrote: God if we take Daniels........  why why why would we take another ogbuehi. Or bodine? B2 they both every play get pushed back into the qb. Same thing that Daniels will have. And don’t say oh he put on weight. There’s a difference between putting on weight and putting on core weight. Ogbuehi has been doing mma training for last 3 years and still can’t handle a bull rush and he had more core strength that ogbuehi did. Here’s the thing. I trust the price and ragnow to handle the 3-4 nts 1 on 1. I don’t trust Daniels to do that at all. I trust price and ragnow to handle suh or McCoy 1 on 1. I don’t trust Daniels.

Bodine was a big strong OC....  Cook was a technician     which was the better Center for us? 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(04-13-2018, 03:55 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: Bodine was a big strong OC....  Cook was a technician     which was the better Center for us? 

Braham lol

Bodine could bench press but on the field he just got pushed around in the NFL, there is a difference between weight
room strength and on the field strength. Cook wasn't a wimp either. He just got injured just like Braham and that was
the end of that.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(04-13-2018, 03:43 PM)bengalsturntup926 Wrote: That edge guy from Ohio State forget his name

Tyquan Lewis or Jalyn Holmes?

[SadFaceBengal15]

Gimme deshon Elliot or bj hill

[3wt]

(04-08-2018, 09:49 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: As long as you think that Daniels is a "carbon copy" of Pouncey, that works for me.  However, Pouncey did have to face NFL NTs in college, whereas I don't think that Daniels did.  In fact, if you read Daniels draft profile, it clearly says that he struggles with power in his face.

If he clearly struggles with power in his face (I don't know if he does - but anchoring has not been listed as a strength of his), and that's been a major problem with our current center.

I won't be bummed if we get Daniels.  He sounds like a really good lineman, and he should get stronger.

But if it's me it's Price or Ragnow.  If you feel confident one of them will be there at 46 that would be awesome.   Trouble is that I don't know we can be confident.  And one of those three feels like a necessary pick this year.

So hard to project to the fourth round, but linebacker, backup tackle (there are some interesting prospects) and defensive tackle are options.