2017 saints

[THE PISTONS]

The NFL is built on teams going from worst to first and parity. They want to spread playoff wins around.

Since we've last won a playoff game, some 26 teams have won 5+. That makes not winning one seem even more impressive.

[THE PISTONS]

People in Casino's lose a ton of money thinking that the next hand will be the big winner. Yes! The Saints turned it around! We will too!

26+ years of evidence shows otherwise.

Yeah...but if we can just hit big on 3 draft picks next year! Reality is we rarely hit on 1 in Year 1.

I suppose you're about to tell me how we hit on Price, Bates, and Hubbard this year? 2 of those 3 being terrible players currently. 1 being Good.

[motoarch]

Drew Brees


Andy Dalton

[THE PISTONS]

(11-26-2018, 05:46 PM)motoarch Wrote: Drew Brees


Andy Dalton

Enough said.

Plus, the receiver 1 pick in front of Boyd...Thomas is REALLY good.

[J24]

(11-26-2018, 05:47 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Enough said.

Plus, the receiver 1 pick in front of Boyd...Thomas is REALLY good.

And Boyd is to. Dude is on pace for 1200 yards. 

[*ochocincos*]

(11-26-2018, 05:34 PM)Jakeypoo Wrote: I know part of the plan would be to trade AJ for a first and a third or Boyd for a second. Also would trade Vontaz for whatever we could get back.

I think you'd unfortunately have to do AJ for 1+3 rather than Boyd for 2. Tyler Boyd is 6 years younger and wouldn't command the same dollar amount that Green would to re-sign.

[*bengalfan74*]

(11-26-2018, 05:45 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: People in Casino's lose a ton of money thinking that the next hand will be the big winner. Yes! The Saints turned it around! We will too!

26+ years of evidence shows otherwise.

Yeah...but if we can just hit big on 3 draft picks next year! Reality is we rarely hit on 1 in Year 1.

I suppose you're about to tell me how we hit on Price, Bates, and Hubbard this year? 2 of those 3 being terrible players currently. 1 being Good.

Yep !

Hitting on one quality starting player in a single draft is a really good one. Hitting on two that are actually out there making an impact is a once a decade or even less kinda thing. Hitting on three quality full time good to very good starters is once a half century !

Now you may hit on two or three good ones in a single draft that develop into quality starters down the road ? But the chances of having three high quality full time starters in one draft ? It's like the chances of hitting the lottery for millions.

In nearly every quick turn around story out there Mikey's dirty word comes into play (free agents)

[Trademark]

Brees >>>>>> Dalton

Peyton >>>>>>> Lewis

[*ochocincos*]

(11-26-2018, 06:01 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Yep !

Hitting on one quality starting player in a single draft is a really good one. Hitting on two that are actually out there making an impact is a once a decade or even less kinda thing. Hitting on three quality full time good to very good starters is once a half century !

Now you may hit on two or three good ones in a single draft that develop into quality starters down the road ? But the chances of having three high quality full time starters in one draft ? It's like the chances of hitting the lottery for millions.

In nearly every quick turn around story out there Mikey's dirty word comes into play (free agents)

If you're a team that puts so much emphasis on the draft, you better have one of the biggest and best scouting departments in the league otherwise you'll have a lot of disappointment...oh wait...

[I_C_DeadPeople]

(11-26-2018, 05:46 PM)motoarch Wrote: Drew Brees


Andy Dalton

Sean Payton

Marvin Lewis

[motoarch]

(11-26-2018, 07:06 PM)I_C_DeadPeople Wrote: Sean Payton

Marvin Lewis

That’s actually probably a much more important distinction.

[*bengalfan74*]

(11-26-2018, 07:06 PM)I_C_DeadPeople Wrote: Sean Payton

Marvin Lewis

Nail meets hammer

[SladeX]

Payton does have to deal with that wacky Benson family, a more comical and thus lovable version of the Brown family...

[bengals73]

(11-26-2018, 05:46 PM)motoarch Wrote: Drew Brees


Andy Dalton

Saints Organization

Bengals Organization

[THE PISTONS]

(11-26-2018, 08:39 PM)SladeX Wrote: Payton does have to deal with that wacky Benson family, a more comical and thus lovable version of the Brown family...

The Saints actually have a GM though and basically almost 3x the Player Personnel Dept as we have.

I guess our scouts are just 3x better...

[SladeX]

So how did that happen i ask. Seeing as the saints were once poorly run...

[SunsetBengal]

The Saint's drafted well a couple years in a row. Let's not forget that 2016 draft. Sheldon Rankins, Michael Thomas, Vonn Bell, David Onyemata.

[THE PISTONS]

(11-26-2018, 08:43 PM)SladeX Wrote: So how did that happen i ask. Seeing as the saints were once poorly run...

They went out and got Brees and eventually got the right people in the right positions.

The Bengals don't make changes to management.

[SunsetBengal]

(11-26-2018, 08:44 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: They went out and got Brees and eventually got the right people in the right positions.

The Bengals don't make changes to management.

More than that, they also chose a competent coaching staff that was able to get newly drafted players on the field and producing instant results, two years in a row.  That is impressive.

[THE PISTONS]

(11-26-2018, 08:50 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: More than that, they also chose a competent coaching staff that was able to get newly drafted players on the field and producing instant results, two years in a row.  That is impressive.

Yes.

To sum up this thread, we're 2-3 really good drafts and competent coaches who can develop players away from being Good.