Saw "Us"

[fredtoast]

Good scary movie.

Not the greatest movie of all time like some people are hyping it to be, but it was a good solid scary movie.

I also thought "Get Out" was a good movie, but also over-hyped.

Jordan Peele is hot right now, and I like his stuff. I used to watch "Key and Peele" and liked that too. But I don't see him as the great genius that some are making him out to be.

[CKwi88]

(04-01-2019, 06:10 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Good scary movie.

Not the greatest movie of all time like some people are hyping it to be, but it was a good solid scary movie.

I also thought "Get Out" was a good movie, but also over-hyped.

Jordan Peele is hot right now, and I like his stuff.  I used to watch "Key and Peele" and liked that too.  But I don't see him as the great genius that some are making him out to be.

Peele's metaphor, social commentary, and symbolism game is 10/10. The actual horror aspect is more like a 6/10. Like you put it, it shapes up to be a solid flick, if not amazing. I personally liked Get Out more than Us, although that might just be because I prefer the kind of horror of Get Out over Us. 


The thing I like most about his films is that they truly deserve a second and even third viewing. Both for things you missed and things that take on an entirely new meaning.

[BengalsRocker]

Haven't seen "Us" yet but I do have a question.

What was the last good horror film made?

I'm not a fan of Insidious or that series of flicks.

I wouldn't call it completely full fledged horror, but "Let Me In" was the last movie of the genre I actually liked.

That movie is 9 years old.

[CKwi88]

(04-01-2019, 09:38 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: Haven't seen "Us" yet but I do have a question.

What was the last good horror film made?

I'm not a fan of Insidious or that series of flicks.

I wouldn't call it completely full fledged horror, but "Let Me In" was the last movie of the genre I actually liked.

That movie is 9 years old.

A Quiet Place was extraordinary IMO. It had the balance of good horror and good filmmaking. I highly suggest it.

[BengalsRocker]

(04-01-2019, 09:53 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: A Quiet Place was extraordinary IMO. It had the balance of good horror and good filmmaking. I highly suggest it.

I saw it.

It was okay.  The acting was decent.

That movie kind of reminded me of "Signs" in some ways though.

[BengalsRocker]

"10 Cloverfield Lane" was pretty good until the end. Which some will like, and some will be like "WTF?" and hate it!

Great acting by John Goodman. I think that's about the best thing I can say about it.

[Benton]

(04-01-2019, 09:38 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: Haven't seen "Us" yet but I do have a question.

What was the last good horror film made?

I'm not a fan of Insidious or that series of flicks.

I wouldn't call it completely full fledged horror, but "Let Me In" was the last movie of the genre I actually liked.

That movie is 9 years old.

To the OP: Plan on checking it out. I liked "Get Out" but I guessed 90% of the movie in the first half hour or so. The acting and pace was good enough to keep me interested, but it wasn't the "WTF!? just happened!?" I like out of a good horror movie.

As far as the last good one, good question. I liked the "It" remake.  I've got the new Halloween and "A quiet Place" I just haven't watched them. I loved "Happy Death Day" (the original, not the sequel). "The Babysitter" was great. 

The genre is so broad these days. You've got lighter, more humorous stuff (what I generally like) to jump scares to splatter porn (my least favorite). 

[BengalsRocker]

(04-02-2019, 01:30 AM)Benton Wrote: To the OP: Plan on checking it out. I liked "Get Out" but I guessed 90% of the movie in the first half hour or so. The acting and pace was good enough to keep me interested, but it wasn't the "WTF!? just happened!?" I like out of a good horror movie.

As far as the last good one, good question. I liked the "It" remake.  I've got the new Halloween and "A quiet Place" I just haven't watched them. I loved "Happy Death Day" (the original, not the sequel). "The Babysitter" was great. 

The genre is so broad these days. You've got lighter, more humorous stuff (what I generally like) to jump scares to splatter porn (my least favorite). 

Did you see "Let Me In"?

[Benton]

(04-02-2019, 08:38 AM)BengalsRocker Wrote: Did you see "Let Me In"?

And the Swedish one. Very good movies.

[Aquapod770]

Vastly preferred Us over Get Out. I found the latter predictable and when they really had a chance to nail home the social commentary they went with the obvious "twist". I definitely liked the tension in Us a lot better.

Peele is a solid director (albeit very over-hyped). Looking forward to his future projects. Good horror is difficult to come by now, and Peele seems to have a knack for it.

[Aquapod770]

(04-01-2019, 09:38 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: Haven't seen "Us" yet but I do have a question.

What was the last good horror film made?

I'm not a fan of Insidious or that series of flicks.

I wouldn't call it completely full fledged horror, but "Let Me In" was the last movie of the genre I actually liked.

That movie is 9 years old.

The Ritual on Netflix is worth checking out, but the 3rd act is kind of a let down. 

Hereditary is a mind-F***, and really one of the few horror movies that made me physically uncomfortable watching. Fair warning it's a slow burn. If you liked The Witch you'll like Hereditary. 

Also the most recent Halloween movie was surprisingly good.

[fredtoast]

(04-01-2019, 10:01 PM)BengalsRocker Wrote: "10 Cloverfield Lane" was pretty good until the end.  Which some will like, and some will be like "WTF?" and hate it!

Great acting by John Goodman.  I think that's about the best thing I can say about it.

I actually like that movie.

Sorry if this is kind of a spoiler for anyone who has not seen it yet, but it involves a woman who wakes up after a car wreck locked in an underground bunker with a couple of other people.  It appears there are two possible explanations for why she can not leave and you spend the movie trying to figure out which one it is.  But in the end it is BOTH.

Do not confuse this with the movie "Cloverfield" which is a "found footage" type of movie about an alien invasion and not very good.

[fredtoast]

(04-01-2019, 09:53 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: A Quiet Place was extraordinary IMO. It had the balance of good horror and good filmmaking. I highly suggest it.

I am not a big fan of scary movies so I don't see a lot.  But this was by far the best one I have seen in a while

[fredtoast]

(04-02-2019, 11:03 AM)Aquapod770 Wrote: Hereditary is a mind-F***, and really one of the few horror movies that made me physically uncomfortable watching. Fair warning it's a slow burn. If you liked The Witch you'll like Hereditary. 

Heredity was too disjointed.  It was like they had a few different ideas for a horror movie and mashed them all together.  Seriously there are some scenes from the beginning of the movie that make no sense when the whole thing is over.  It was like they said "hey this imagery would be creepy lets just randomly throw it in here". 

[BengalsRocker]

(04-02-2019, 04:09 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I actually like that movie.

Sorry if this is kind of a spoiler for anyone who has not seen it yet, but it involves a woman who wakes up after a car wreck locked in an underground bunker with a couple of other people.  It appears there are two possible explanations for why she can not leave and you spend the movie trying to figure out which one it is.  But in the end it is BOTH.

Do not confuse this with the movie "Cloverfield" which is a "found footage" type of movie about an alien invasion and not very good.

The acting is good which keeps it going.

John Goodman really does a great job of sending mixed signals which lays foundation for the tension.

The movie is more about suspense than horror or scifi.

[CJD]

***Spoilers ahead. Please don't continue reading if you haven't seen Us yet. It is so worth not having a single thing spoiled.***






I thought Us was a really good movie, if for no other reason than it made you question who was the bad guy by the end of it. Movies that take a straight forward concept and make it not as clear always get a gold star in my book.

Where it fell apart was the actual logic within the universe. Like...the clones seemed to be forced to do the exact same thing as those above them, except when they didn't. The young boy, for example, had to mimic his mirror perfectly (to the extent of just outright killing himself), but the clones of daughter and husband (and almost every other tethered we see in the movie) was not bound by the rule once they were on the surface. And what happens when someone moves to a new city? Does the clone somehow teleport to the tunnels under that new city? Or do they only mimic the gestures and emotions of the person rather than their literal movement? And, if Adelaide was the tethered at first, how did she break her tether to come up the escalator to meet Red in the first place? Why did living in the tunnels almost instantly turn Red into the tethered, despite being in control for the ~9 years prior to that?

To continue with the questions that this story created, who was feeding the rabbits? Were they just reproducing so fast that they didn't need actual food? Because I can't imagine the tethered were feeding them anything...And who was preparing the rabbits to be eaten in the similar fashion that the normal people were eating carnival food? If someone were in a car and got into a crash, how would the tethered recreate this act, since we saw with the people on the roller coaster that they are not actually experiencing the momentum of the ride, just simulating the vibrations of it.

I really liked the symbolism and message (it can be interpreted many different ways, but the basic message I received from the movie was the main thing separating poor/uneducated/violent people and normal people is opportunity. Adelaide was a tethered, but she still led an extremely fulfilling life simply by being given the chance and resources afforded to normal people), but you kind of had to suspend your disbelief on all of these questions to really appreciate the movie. The story could have been more logical and more tightly wound and still gotten that message across.

The bottom line is I loved the movie, but wished they had made more of an effort to ground it in the logic of the universe they created (expecting real world logic out of a fantasy horror is unrealistic, but expecting a fantasy horror to follow its own rules is not unrealistic, in my opinion).

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(04-01-2019, 06:10 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Good scary movie.

Not the greatest movie of all time like some people are hyping it to be, but it was a good solid scary movie.

I also thought "Get Out" was a good movie, but also over-hyped.

Jordan Peele is hot right now, and I like his stuff. I used to watch "Key and Peele" and liked that too. But I don't see him as the great genius that some are making him out to be.

Get Out is arguably the best thriller (its NOT a horror film) of the past 5 years and it is deliciously done; EVERY little thing, from dialogues, to settings, to colours, character motivations, etc., are all intertwined and all have something to do with something else; read into it on IMDB, TV Tropes, etc., where the film is truly broken down and deconstructed and you will find just absolutely stellar and brilliant writing from beginning to end.

Peele's films involve you digging in to get every little meaning and bit of symbolism, etc., to get the most out of his films (which I know, is not for over 50% of moviegoers nowadays).

(04-01-2019, 08:57 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: Peele's metaphor, social commentary, and symbolism game is 10/10. The actual horror aspect is more like a 6/10. Like you put it, it shapes up to be a solid flick, if not amazing. I personally liked Get Out more than Us, although that might just be because I prefer the kind of horror of Get Out over Us. 


The thing I like most about his films is that they truly deserve a second and even third viewing. Both for things you missed and things that take on an entirely new meaning.

As much as we disagree on videogames, you put every word perfectly there lol.

Us is more of a horror film (even then, wouldn't TRULY call it a horror film, but it checks off the list a lot more than Get Out), which is why I don't like it as much as Get Out.

Also, IMO, not written as well (with a few inconsistencies, whereas Get Out had nary a flaw in it's writing).

(04-01-2019, 09:53 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: A Quiet Place was extraordinary IMO. It had the balance of good horror and good filmmaking. I highly suggest it.

Right-on again.

Didn't like the film at all, but a fantastic concept, executed splendidly.

(04-02-2019, 01:30 AM)Benton Wrote: To the OP: Plan on checking it out. I liked "Get Out" but I guessed 90% of the movie in the first half hour or so. The acting and pace was good enough to keep me interested, but it wasn't the "WTF!? just happened!?" I like out of a good horror movie.

Again though, it isn't a horror film; its a psychological film that falls squarely and perfectly, into the thriller/suspense genre.

Aside from Walter's running and the (non-developed) scare-chord of Georgina following Chris, when he goes out for a phag in the middle of the night, there isn't a single classic horror-element, contained in the film.

*maybe* the deer at the beginning.

(04-09-2019, 10:26 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: ***Spoilers ahead. Please don't continue reading if you haven't seen Us yet. It is so worth not having a single thing spoiled.***






I thought Us was a really good movie, if for no other reason than it made you question who was the bad guy by the end of it. Movies that take a straight forward concept and make it not as clear always get a gold star in my book.

Where it fell apart was the actual logic within the universe. Like...the clones seemed to be forced to do the exact same thing as those above them, except when they didn't. The young boy, for example, had to mimic his mirror perfectly (to the extent of just outright killing himself), but the clones of daughter and husband (and almost every other tethered we see in the movie) was not bound by the rule once they were on the surface. And what happens when someone moves to a new city? Does the clone somehow teleport to the tunnels under that new city? Or do they only mimic the gestures and emotions of the person rather than their literal movement? And, if Adelaide was the tethered at first, how did she break her tether to come up the escalator to meet Red in the first place? Why did living in the tunnels almost instantly turn Red into the tethered, despite being in control for the ~9 years prior to that?

To continue with the questions that this story created, who was feeding the rabbits? Were they just reproducing so fast that they didn't need actual food? Because I can't imagine the tethered were feeding them anything...And who was preparing the rabbits to be eaten in the similar fashion that the normal people were eating carnival food? If someone were in a car and got into a crash, how would the tethered recreate this act, since we saw with the people on the roller coaster that they are not actually experiencing the momentum of the ride, just simulating the vibrations of it.

I really liked the symbolism and message (it can be interpreted many different ways, but the basic message I received from the movie was the main thing separating poor/uneducated/violent people and normal people is opportunity. Adelaide was a tethered, but she still led an extremely fulfilling life simply by being given the chance and resources afforded to normal people), but you kind of had to suspend your disbelief on all of these questions to really appreciate the movie. The story could have been more logical and more tightly wound and still gotten that message across.

The bottom line is I loved the movie, but wished they had made more of an effort to ground it in the logic of the universe they created (expecting real world logic out of a fantasy horror is unrealistic, but expecting a fantasy horror to follow its own rules is not unrealistic, in my opinion).

The first bold, I feel gets explained with Jason; the tethered CAN mirror each other, when they focus their minds to do so (Jason was only ever able to, "control," Pluto, when he focused and tried to do it); thus, anything that requires a lot of work and focus, would cause the tethered to do the same (hence why Red mirrors Adelaide while dancing).

However! We only ever see them do these mundane tasks or whatever, as kids (or younger people); once they are older, it appears that they have a bit more free reign (though this can be expunged by the fair-goers when Adelaide and Red first head down in 1986, as they are perfectly mimicking their above counterparts.).

Also, once they get above, we only see Jason and Pluto mimicking each other, not anyone else (adding further credence to the "young," theory) and I think it is implied that once they are above, they no longer are, "tethered," and can freely act as they wish (scissors being super symbolism here as well, obviously; fully, "cutting," the tether, by killing their above counterparts with scissors).

Its a long and not super-strong theory, but it does hold water somewhat.

The second bold I think is even easier; "tethered," only refers to the fact that they are, "chained," to their above counterparts. Thus, by Red going into the funhouse, Adelaide mimicked her very move, until they met face to face.

Again, now being above ground, she can act as she wishes, choking out red and chaining her to the bed. Once she goes above and takes Red's place, the mimicry continues, but in reverse; how that switch is enabled, is a bit of a mystery, however it is consistent with being tethered to your counterpart.

The rest, I basically brought up with my wife as the film went on myself, the rabbits in particular (about who is feeding them).

I gave the film a 9/10 and will stand by that.

But Get Out is a 10/10

[CJD]

(04-09-2019, 01:58 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Get Out is arguably the best thriller (its NOT a horror film) of the past 5 years and it is deliciously done; EVERY little thing, from dialogues, to settings, to colours, character motivations, etc., are all intertwined and all have something to do with something else; read into it on IMDB, TV Tropes, etc., where the film is truly broken down and deconstructed and you will find just absolutely stellar and brilliant writing from beginning to end.

Peele's films involve you digging in to get every little meaning and bit of symbolism, etc., to get the most out of his films (which I know, is not for over 50% of moviegoers nowadays).


As much as we disagree on videogames, you put every word perfectly there lol.

Us is more of a horror film (even then, wouldn't TRULY call it a horror film, but it checks off the list a lot more than Get Out), which is why I don't like it as much as Get Out.

Also, IMO, not written as well (with a few inconsistencies, whereas Get Out had nary a flaw in it's writing).


Right-on again.

Didn't like the film at all, but a fantastic concept, executed splendidly.


Again though, it isn't a horror film; its a psychological film that falls squarely and perfectly, into the thriller/suspense genre.

Aside from Walter's running and the (non-developed) scare-chord of Georgina following Chris, when he goes out for a phag in the middle of the night, there isn't a single classic horror-element, contained in the film.

*maybe* the deer at the beginning.


The first bold, I feel gets explained with Jason; the tethered CAN mirror each other, when they focus their minds to do so (Jason was only ever able to, "control," Pluto, when he focused and tried to do it); thus, anything that requires a lot of work and focus, would cause the tethered to do the same (hence why Red mirrors Adelaide while dancing).

However! We only ever see them do these mundane tasks or whatever, as kids (or younger people); once they are older, it appears that they have a bit more free reign (though this can be expunged by the fair-goers when Adelaide and Red first head down in 1986, as they are perfectly mimicking their above counterparts.).

Also, once they get above, we only see Jason and Pluto mimicking each other, not anyone else (adding further credence to the "young," theory) and I think it is implied that once they are above, they no longer are, "tethered," and can freely act as they wish (scissors being super symbolism here as well, obviously; fully, "cutting," the tether, by killing their above counterparts with scissors).

Its a long and not super-strong theory, but it does hold water somewhat.

The second bold I think is even easier; "tethered," only refers to the fact that they are, "chained," to their above counterparts. Thus, by Red going into the funhouse, Adelaide mimicked her very move, until they met face to face.

Again, now being above ground, she can act as she wishes, choking out red and chaining her to the bed. Once she goes above and takes Red's place, the mimicry continues, but in reverse; how that switch is enabled, is a bit of a mystery, however it is consistent with being tethered to your counterpart.

The rest, I basically brought up with my wife as the film went on myself, the rabbits in particular (about who is feeding them).

I gave the film a 9/10 and will stand by that.

But Get Out is a 10/10

It's a fair theory. But wasn't "breaking the tether" what defined Red from the other tethered? That's why they made her a leader, because she was able to not mimic Adelaide, right? Like you said, we see the tethered still do exactly what the fair goers do (from the roller coaster, to eating the food etc). And even after she was recognized as different, she still had to have sex and give birth to the same 3 family members as Adelaide does, so her tether was still well intact even as late as 9 years ago (assuming the boy is about 9 years old), whereas the moment she changed was during the dance, when Red was still just a girl.

I would give Us a 9/10 as well. A fantastic movie and, my God, Lupita Nyong'o is so incredibly talented (and beautiful). I almost rate it higher than Get Out for the simple reason that I was given the opportunity to watch her for 2 hours.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(04-09-2019, 03:24 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: It's a fair theory. But wasn't "breaking the tether" what defined Red from the other tethered? That's why they made her a leader, because she was able to not mimic Adelaide, right? Like you said, we see the tethered still do exactly what the fair goers do (from the roller coaster, to eating the food etc). And even after she was recognized as different, she still had to have sex and give birth to the same 3 family members as Adelaide does, so her tether was still well intact even as late as 9 years ago (assuming the boy is about 9 years old), whereas the moment she changed was during the dance, when Red was still just a girl.

I would give Us a 9/10 as well. A fantastic movie and, my God, Lupita Nyong'o is so incredibly talented (and beautiful). I almost rate it higher than Get Out for the simple reason that I was given the opportunity to watch her for 2 hours.

I gathered that they made her a leader, because she was the only person who could speak and because she was from above.

But yeah, I have nothing for the latter lol; as I said, the theory I proposed holds water, but not very well lol.

She is super-talented and a great actress.

But I don't find her attractive in the absolute slightest lol.