Auden Tate

[Whatever]

(08-24-2019, 01:54 AM)RCBengalsFan Wrote: Mohammad Sanu ran a 4.67 at the combine and he’s had a decent career thus far.

Sanu ran a 4.54 at his Pro Day, though.  Tate ran a 4.75 at FSU's Pro Day.  Don't know what his issues were, but usually guys speed up on their Pro Day.  Tate actually slowed down a big chunk.

Jokes aside, nobody is saying it's impossible to be an NFL WR with a 40 time that slow, but the odds aren't in your favor.  You have to be great at everything else just to compensate.

[HarleyDog]

(08-24-2019, 03:02 AM)Whatever Wrote: Sanu ran a 4.54 at his Pro Day, though.  Tate ran a 4.75 at FSU's Pro Day.  Don't know what his issues were, but usually guys speed up on their Pro Day.  Tate actually slowed down a big chunk.

Jokes aside, nobody is saying it's impossible to be an NFL WR with a 40 time that slow, but the odds aren't in your favor.  You have to be great at everything else just to compensate.

Although a TE, Gronk ran 4.71 at his combine. So you right.

[fredtoast]

(08-24-2019, 01:36 AM)Whatever Wrote: If we're talking 40 time as an average speed and not discussing acceleration, max speed, etc.  it's pretty easy.

Player A can run the 40 at 4.4 seconds, so if we divide 40 yards by 4.4 seconds, we arrive at an average speed of 9.09 yards/second.

If we do the same for B, we arrive at 40/4.68=8.55 yards/second.  

To get Player A's 50 yard time, we divide the distance(50 yards) by his average speed(9.09 yards/second to arrive at 5.5 seconds.

To determine Player B's distance traveled, we multiply Player A's 50 yard time(5.5 seconds) by Player B's average speed(8.55 yards/second) to arrive at 47.03, so basically 3 yards behind.

By doing this, we can determine that Player B is slow as molasses and probably doesn't have the physical talent necessary to cut it as a WR at the NFL level.  All is not lost, however, because you can still probably cheer for Player B in the XFL next year.

That is how it works at exactly 40 yards, but you can't extrapolate that to any other distance.

Drag race fans know that elapsed time is just a small part of the equation.  Player A can get a better jump than Player B and still be ahead of him at 40 yards.  But if player B has a faster top speed he will pull ahead of player A the farther they run.

This is why you see some tall WRs have slower 40 times but pull away from from defenders running down the field.  Their start is a little slower but they have much higher top speed.  Two players could have the exact same forty time but one would be running much faster at the forty yard mark.

I have been arguing for years that the combine should post the "trap speed" or "top speed" of WRs because it is actually more important than the elapsed time of the forty.  The extra quickness through the first few steps is completely nullified by a DB just playing off the ball a few yards off the ball. Top speed is what matters most.

And on the other hand the 10 yard split is more important for RBs and DEs than the actual forty time.  Top gear speed is not nearly as important as explosiveness off the start.

[SunsetBengal]

(08-23-2019, 04:10 PM)Whatever Wrote: Tate only has 11 YAC on 8 catches in the preseason.  He also has the 2nd lowest YPC among WR's behind Erickson, and Erickson has frankly shown nothing as a WR this preseason.  

Kid is great at contested catches, but that's all he's got right now.  Given time, he can develop into a good WR if he improves his route running and can use that to get separation.  But he's not there yet.

If he catches the ball in the end zone, how many more yards will he need to get?

[*bengalfan74*]

(08-24-2019, 09:12 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: If he catches the ball in the end zone, how many more yards will he need to get?

Right

If he catches a ball 10 yards down field on 3rd and 7 ?

YAC is great but it isn't the point of focus for a possession/red zone receiver.

[BengalsRocker]

(08-24-2019, 09:36 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Right

If he catches a ball 10 yards down field on 3rd and 7 ?

YAC is great but it isn't the point of focus for a possession/red zone receiver.

Right.

He can catch it 5 yards out of the endzone and jog it in.

Perhaps Tate could run block or block for WRs after catch.

Blocking at the LOS is a whole different thing.

That my friends is probably why he's a WR and not a TE.

Plus if you have a big body WR his matchup is more likey to be a DB than a LBer.

With the rules favoring the offense a lot you want the big WR who can draw smaller DB penalties.

[ezekiel23]

We all know that Tates strength is in making contested catches.For example Gronkowski,of the patriots really never seemed to be a wide open target very often,but used his large frame and athleticism to make contested catches.He is one of the best tight ends to ever play the game.It appears his speed is comparable to Tate.

[Bengalitis]

All the receivers have to do is catch the ball and get an average of 4 yrds per play. That is all to be asked. 4 yrds x 3 plays = 12 yrds = 1st down = more tear and wear and exhaust for the D and control of the game. The days of the long bombs are becoming more and more rare in this modern NFL game where everybody, and I mean everybody is much quicker and fast paced, specially on the defense.

[SunsetBengal]

(08-24-2019, 09:50 AM)BengalsRocker Wrote: Right.

He can catch it 5 yards out of the endzone and jog it in.

Perhaps Tate could run block or block for WRs after catch.

Blocking at the LOS is a whole different thing.

That my friends is probably why he's a WR and not a TE.

Plus if you have a big body WR his matchup is more likey to be a DB than a LBer.

With the rules favoring the offense a lot you want the big WR who can draw smaller DB penalties.

Also, don't let a slow 40 time fool you into thinking he can't run or beat someone to the goal line.  If he catches the ball in stride, he can use that 6'5" body to "stride it out" and pull away from a shorter defender with a quicker 40 time.

[Whatever]

(08-24-2019, 09:12 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: If he catches the ball in the end zone, how many more yards will he need to get?

0, but only 1 of his 8 catches has been for a TD this preseason.  He had a similar YPC last season and caught 0 TD's.

[Whatever]

(08-24-2019, 09:36 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Right

If he catches a ball 10 yards down field on 3rd and 7 ?

YAC is great but it isn't the point of focus for a possession/red zone receiver.

(08-24-2019, 09:50 AM)BengalsRocker Wrote: Right.

He can catch it 5 yards out of the endzone and jog it in.

Perhaps Tate could run block or block for WRs after catch.

Blocking at the LOS is a whole different thing.

That my friends is probably why he's a WR and not a TE.

Plus if you have a big body WR his matchup is more likey to be a DB than a LBer.

With the rules favoring the offense a lot you want the big WR who can draw smaller DB penalties.

(08-24-2019, 01:51 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Also, don't let a slow 40 time fool you into thinking he can't run or beat someone to the goal line.  If he catches the ball in stride, he can use that 6'5" body to "stride it out" and pull away from a shorter defender with a quicker 40 time.

Oftentimes, the defense sets up to defend the sticks.  You often have to throw short of the line to gain and the receiver has to run for the sticks.  That's why YAC is very important.  Plus, if you're throwing short routes, are you going to throw to a guy with YAC ability or to a guy who'll get dropped right where he makes the catch?  If you try sending him on intermediate-deep routes, you have to remember he's slow and he's going to take longer to get there, which puts more pressure on your OL in pass protection.  

He's not a TE.  He's a big, slow, WR.  He's listed at 228, which is way undersized for a TE.

He would be better at catching and running if he could get some separation from defenders, but he can't.  He's slow, lacks short area quickness,and he's not a great route runner.  That means the defender is draped all over him and makes the tackle right when the ball arrives.  You would think that with his size, he could break tackles or drag the guy a bit, but he's shown no ability to do so to this point.  Counting both preseason and the regular season, he has 18 YAC on 15 catches in his NFL career.  That's not good.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(08-23-2019, 05:50 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: Core has looked good and plays well on ST.  I would not count him out.  

Not counting him out.

This will be a tough call.

(08-23-2019, 06:20 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Alex ran the forty faster than A J Green.

AJ is faster on the field than Alex though.

Some players are...

AJ just plays faster when he is in the game.