Smoke Screen?

[Schmitbuck]

(01-18-2020, 07:28 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Traditionally, the speed rusher was lined up over the LT, and the bulkier, run stopping DE was lined up over the RT/TE side.  Now, teams are moving the speed rusher to either side of the line, in order to exploit the perceived better matchup.  This is forcing teams use Tackles with better footwork on the Right side as well as the Left, rather than "hiding" the flat footed run blocking specialist at RT.

As for playing on one side or the other causing problems with stance or first step?  I can't really support that, as I played both Left and Right sides of the line, on both offense and defense in my playing days, and I never really had any issues.  These are professional athletes that we're talking about here, not developmental school boys that might get flustered by having to push off on one foot over the one their used to.

Yeah, I played on both sides of the line in high school as well, but my opinion on switching sides not being that easy at that level is based on conversations with a former college line coach. He thought it's a something. I actually think switching sides probably isn't as big of a deal in high school where talent can overcome technique. With professional athletes technique is more important and the margin for error is much smaller. 

Obviously not impossible like you said, but if the coaches think Jordan can be a good to avg starter next year, don't hinder his learning curve by switching positions. Leaving him at LG and prioritizing signing a RG would be the better play, instead of going for a LG just for Jonah's development. Hopefully the rumors of the Bengals wanting Scherff are true.  

[SunsetBengal]

(01-19-2020, 06:47 PM)Schmitbuck Wrote: Yeah, I played on both sides of the line in high school as well, but my opinion on switching sides not being that easy at that level is based on conversations with a former college line coach. He thought it's a something. I actually think switching sides probably isn't as big of a deal in high school where talent can overcome technique. With professional athletes technique is more important and the margin for error is much smaller. 

Obviously not impossible like you said, but if the coaches think Jordan can be a good to avg starter next year, don't hinder his learning curve by switching positions. Leaving him at LG and prioritizing signing a RG would be the better play, instead of going for a LG just for Jonah's development. Hopefully the rumors of the Bengals wanting Scherff are true.  

Well, I was speaking more from years of playing Semi-Pro (think adult amateur, but with helmets, pads and officials), but what I'm aiming at is;  Is the Lineman who can only play effectively on the Left side or the Right side really an athlete, or is he just a one tool guy that's only good at one thing?  Sure, some guys in the NFL latch onto one position and never have to show more than exactly one specific skill set, but likely more than half of Lineman that arrive in an NFL training camp are shifted around, and asked to show what they can do in a variety of roles, in an attempt to claim a roster spot.  

My point to that monologue is simply that if an interior OL can't be effective on either side of the line, is he really worth the money he's asking for?  For example, what if the Bengals were to pay well for a guy to play RG, and then an injury happens at LG, and the guy has to shift over?  Should we just give the guy a pass, because he's playing "out of position"?  I'd think that most minds in the football world would chuckle at the thought.  (now, the exception being in an emergency asking a career Guard to slide out to Tackle, as that is a bit more than just going from Right to Left, or vice versa)

[Schmitbuck]

(01-19-2020, 07:10 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Well, I was speaking more from years of playing Semi-Pro (think adult amateur, but with helmets, pads and officials), but what I'm aiming at is;  Is the Lineman who can only play effectively on the Left side or the Right side really an athlete, or is he just a one tool guy that's only good at one thing?  Sure, some guys in the NFL latch onto one position and never have to show more than exactly one specific skill set, but likely more than half of Lineman that arrive in an NFL training camp are shifted around, and asked to show what they can do in a variety of roles, in an attempt to claim a roster spot.  

My point to that monologue is simply that if an interior OL can't be effective on either side of the line, is he really worth the money he's asking for?  For example, what if the Bengals were to pay well for a guy to play RG, and then an injury happens at LG, and the guy has to shift over?  Should we just give the guy a pass, because he's playing "out of position"?  I'd think that most minds in the football world would chuckle at the thought.  (now, the exception being in an emergency asking a career Guard to slide out to Tackle, as that is a bit more than just going from Right to Left, or vice versa)

Yeesh, building a straw man much? Sure, someone can be good at both guard spots. Really it's not that hard to acknowledge that it's possible Jordan can be "better" at LG than RG when all his experience is on the left side. There might be a reason he's mostly played there.

But your comment I took exception with initially (that you don't seem to want to talk about) is you wanting to move Jordan and get a LG just to help with Jonah's development as if it a veteran RG wouldn't have a positive impact on whoever is RT. But if you don't have anything else to add to that, I guess that topic has run it's course. 

Congrats on playing semi-pro. 

[SunsetBengal]

(01-19-2020, 11:25 PM)Schmitbuck Wrote: Yeesh, building a straw man much? Sure, someone can be good at both guard spots. Really it's not that hard to acknowledge that it's possible Jordan can be "better" at LG than RG when all his experience is on the left side. There might be a reason he's mostly played there.

But your comment I took exception with initially (that you don't seem to want to talk about) is you wanting to move Jordan and get a LG just to help with Jonah's development as if it a veteran RG wouldn't have a positive impact on whoever is RT. But if you don't have anything else to add to that, I guess that topic has run it's course. 

Congrats on playing semi-pro. 

I'm not proposing that we "move" Jordan anywhere, right now.  The guy is really young, he's doing just fine on the bench.

[RunKijanaRun]

As bad as the Bengals ran screens this year, I'd say this is cause for concern.

[Mike M (the other one)]

(01-17-2020, 07:12 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: right like the top 10 teams will all probly work burrow out...  Cause you never know...   

And then some team will likely spread info about him to get him to fall a couple spots.
But he's undisputedly the top QB and will go Number 1.

We can even have the contract all done before the draft.

[Mike M (the other one)]

(01-18-2020, 01:58 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Not to mention publicly declaring who we are taking early does nothing but help other teams forecasting their pick. Better they don't know for sure and have to work all the scenarios

LOL 99.999999% of every team knows who the top pick is, the only surprise would be if he trades out of it. which also like a 0.000001% chance of that happening.

Sadly, MB is pretty predictable. Even I can get most of our 1st round draft picks correct every year even when we pick 10-15. Only year I have really missed was when they traded back and took Zietler, I had them taking DeCastro, I did get Dre correct. And the trade was not worth it to me. Brandon Thompson has been out of football now for 4 years.

And DeCastro would probably still be on the team. 5 yr 50 mil vs 5 yr 60 mil.

And that 2012 draft top 10 is pretty sad now.