03-09-2020, 09:11 PM
Steelers were 19th but won two Super Bowls since 06? Can someone please explain how this makes sense?
PFF on draft success '06-'16
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03-09-2020, 09:11 PM
Steelers were 19th but won two Super Bowls since 06? Can someone please explain how this makes sense?
03-09-2020, 09:23 PM
(03-09-2020, 09:11 PM)Hoofhearted Wrote: Steelers were 19th but won two Super Bowls since 06? Can someone please explain how this makes sense? Steelers only won one Super Bowl since '06. It was in '08 and most of the stars on that team had been drafted before '06. Even the 2010 team that lost to the Packers only had 7 starters drafted after '06.
03-09-2020, 10:19 PM
(03-09-2020, 09:23 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Steelers only won one Super Bowl since '06. It was in '08 and most of the stars on that team had been drafted before '06. Oh right Ben was 04. Still AB was 10, Juju was in 17. Their WR war has to be crazy high. Pair that with pig Ben makes sense
03-09-2020, 10:56 PM
(03-09-2020, 08:27 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Sample has good agility and athleticism. Here is how he ranked among TEs at the 2019 combine. Those times are nice and all. But his play on Sundays told me The game was too big for him. He was over matched. His play was underwhelming Follow me here Fred When a new coach comes in with new coaches under him...it's imperative that in that 1st draft they hit on as many draft picks As they can in order to right the ship again Marvin's 1st draft was very instrumental in getting the Bengals A relevant franchise Zac Taylors 1st was a colassial failure And drafting Sample in Rd 2 is a "Sample" of that failure If Sample was a 7th RD pick you can live with non productive Rookie year But when you are a franchise that builds its roster through the Draft with sprinkles of free agent signing You cant afford to swing and miss on 2nd RD picks TE was not a position that needed to be addressed in RD 2. Sample wasnt even a dominant pass catcher in college With Carter Uzomah in front of him where is Sample going to get playing time ? ( I didn't even bring up Eifert if he returns ) Face it Fred Sample sucks at this point Every team whiffs on high draft picks ....even the Bengals
03-09-2020, 11:40 PM
(03-09-2020, 10:56 PM)impactplaya Wrote: Those times are nice and all. But his play on Sundays told me Who's Fred Sample? Lol jk... I pretty much agree here with the Sample pick. It seemed sort of ok when they talked about him being a great blocking TE, etc, but overall he was a huge reach we could've gotten later. The little he played he didnt block good or didnt do much really. Maybe he could step up and improve, but you are pretty much right about Zac's first draft being a failure, at least in his 1st season. I can see Jonah, Jordan and Pratt shifting the balance scale a bit over the next year or 2, maybe even one of those RBs, but the Sample thing is pretty underwhelming and he looks more like a head scratcher so far. Ive thought the whole time that this is the offseason that is going to really say a lot about our coaches. Waiting for Zac to coach in the SB was a big setback. Hardly any time to learn what we have, what we need and put together an offseason scouting plan. Lou walked in just in time to sign and leave for the combine. There are no excuses this year though. They know what we have and what we need. This offseason could define the team for many years either way. I hope they hit a home run. Staring at Burrow in the 1st is pretty damn encouraging.
03-09-2020, 11:45 PM
(03-09-2020, 10:56 PM)impactplaya Wrote: Those times are nice and all. But his play on Sundays told me In McVay's 1st draft with the Rams, they didn't have a 1st and spent their 2nd rounder on TE Gerald Everett, who didn't do much as a rookie. Drafts aren't graded until years later. Sample wasn't impressive as a rookie, but that doesn't make him a bust or the draft necessarily bad.
03-10-2020, 12:26 AM
(03-09-2020, 07:58 PM)JerseyDD09 Wrote: Ok, just fill me in here since I'm new to the boards. Is this gum reference towards Fred's evaluations or towards the Bengals once good drafts? Lol I was just giving Fred a hard time. It’s all in fun. Sometimes it feels too serious on here.
03-10-2020, 12:31 AM
(03-09-2020, 11:45 PM)Whatever Wrote: In McVay's 1st draft with the Rams, they didn't have a 1st and spent their 2nd rounder on TE Gerald Everett, who didn't do much as a rookie.The Rams also are much more active in free agency. The Bengals philosophy is to build their roster through the Draft And add a couple pieces in FA who are 3rd tier FA. In this day and age of the NFL.your 2nd RD pick is expected to Play Meaningful snaps right away. Not wait and see 3 years down the road If you need a couple years to see if it validates your 2nd RD pick Then he wasnt really worth the pick anyway At best Sample is a 3rd TE in jumbo red zone package
03-10-2020, 12:39 AM
(03-09-2020, 07:56 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Never judge a player based on his rookie season. Way too many examples of really good players who did nothing their first season. Sounds like fans are smarter than you give them credit for. Even though I wiffed on Mack.
03-10-2020, 12:47 AM
(03-09-2020, 11:45 PM)Whatever Wrote: In McVay's 1st draft with the Rams, they didn't have a 1st and spent their 2nd rounder on TE Gerald Everett, who didn't do much as a rookie. Sample showed absolutely nothing. I’ve seen this movie before , ( Ross , ogbuehi, Fisher , etc).
03-10-2020, 09:50 AM
(03-09-2020, 10:56 PM)impactplaya Wrote: Those times are nice and all. But his play on Sundays told me You have no clue what type of career he will have. Want to see a list of twenty great NFL players who did nothing as a rookie?
03-10-2020, 09:53 AM
03-10-2020, 09:56 AM
03-10-2020, 11:08 AM
(03-10-2020, 12:31 AM)impactplaya Wrote: The Rams also are much more active in free agency. With Eifert and Uzomah on the roster, Sample was obviously not drafted to play a lot as a rookie. He was drafted to develop. Just because you think they should have drafted a guy to play a lot of snaps immediately doesn't mean it's a bad pick. We'll see in a year or two. If Sample makes 3 straight All Pro teams, are you still going to say he wasn't worth the pick because he didn't make an impact as a rookie?
03-10-2020, 11:20 AM
(03-10-2020, 09:56 AM)fredtoast Wrote: William Jackson, Andre Smith, Dre Kirkpatrick, Mo Sanu? Chad, TJ, Carl Pickens, Hopkins...
03-10-2020, 11:33 AM
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03-10-2020, 12:27 PM
(03-09-2020, 11:45 PM)Whatever Wrote: In McVay's 1st draft with the Rams, they didn't have a 1st and spent their 2nd rounder on TE Gerald Everett, who didn't do much as a rookie. It has a lot to do with knowing the team could have potentially been back in contention if they got a new coaching scheme and guys who could contribute immediately, not guys who might be good in a few years. Bengals fans did not want a decline from 2018, they wanted an improvement. Drafting players in the 2nd round who end up 3rd on the depth chart doesn't really give immediate improvement.
Zac Taylor 2019-2020: 6 total wins
Zac Taylor 2021-2022: Double-digit wins each season, plus 5 postseason wins Zac Taylor 2023: 9 wins despite losing Burrow half the season Zac Taylor 2024: Started 1-4. If he can turn this into a playoff appearance, it will be impressive. Sorry for Party Rocking!
03-10-2020, 01:20 PM
(03-10-2020, 11:33 AM)Sanforbd Wrote: But we took a fifth round player in the second round anyway... when would Sample have been drafted if the Bungles hadn't reached for him? 5th? 6th? Undrafted? He could very well have been drafted by another team in the 2nd round. You have no idea how other NFL teams graded him. It is funny how when a player is drafted higher than the "draft experts" predict everyone says the team was wrong, but when a player gets drafte much later than all the "draft experts" predict no one says that all 32 NFL teams were wrong. The fact is that all the draft experts could have been just as wrong about Sample as they were about Mack Wilson. There was a whole crowd of people here calling for us to draft Wilson in the 2nd or 3rd when he was actually a 5th round pick.
03-10-2020, 01:36 PM
Yet, they still haven't won in the playoffs and had the worst record last year. That rating of #11 means little. Sure the moped has better fuel economy than a Tahoe, but it won't get me to work any faster and sucks in the snow.
03-10-2020, 01:45 PM
(03-09-2020, 07:37 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: It's been a rough few years, but the Bengals have, generally, been very good at drafting. We used to routinely find major contributors in the 4th or later rounds (see: Atkins, Boling, Jones, Iloka, Uzomah, Tate). Well said CJD, we are in a great position going into this Draft especially if we use Free Agency correctly and add a few players to take away our weaknesses to open the Draft up. I am thinking we go LB for sure in FA as this Draft is really deep at WR and inside O-lineman. |
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