Last Mock unless there's a trade

[BURROWorBUST]

1 Joe Burrow, QB LSU  

Has franchise QB written all over him. Swagger. Leadership. Talent. Sold.

2 Patrick Queen, LB LSU

He keeps dropping to 33 on TDN, a big missing piece in our improved defense. Smart. Fast. Hungry.

3 Prince Tega Wanogho, OT Auburn

From what I've read, he's a great fit for us in zone schemes at RT. Still needs a little polish, but he's strong and can move.

4 Van Jefferson, WR Florida

Often described as the 2nd best route runner in this draft, behind Jerry Jeudy.

5 Justin Strnad, LB Wake Forest

Went ILB in the 2nd, OLB in the 5th. All-ACC. Team captain. High motor. Smart. Side-to-sideline. Can rush the passer.

6 Trey Adams, OT Washington

I know he's got a history of injuries. If not, he'd be a day 1 pick. I think he at least has potential to backup Jonah at LT or whoever wins the RT spot.

7 Kendrick Rogers, WR Texas A&M

6'5" Red Zone and contested catch specialist.

[SunsetBengal]

I'm thinking that Queen keeps dropping, because the "combine bump" is wearing off. More and more prognosticators are looking back on his body of work, and deciding that a couple of games at the end of his college career does not make a complete player out of him. I would be very scared of taking him at 33. In fact, I hope that some team does take the reach on him in the 1st round.

I'm not so thrilled with your Tackle in the 3rd, either. To me, Wanoghu is another Ogbuehi or Margus Hunt. Guys that just picked up football in their College years don't seem to develop into serious talents in the NFL.

You know that I generally agree with and value your football opinions, so this critique is just plain honest and nothing personal toward you.

[SunsetBengal]

I did however really like the Van Jefferson pick, as I agree with the analyst that he's a fantastic route runner that should fit well in Taylor's passing scheme. Trey Adams would also be a terrific value in the 6th round. He meets all of the prototypical "measurements" standards, and in my opinion just looked soft as he is coming out of UCLA. If he can adjust to NFL life, I think that he has the tools to develop.

[BURROWorBUST]

(04-03-2020, 06:45 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'm thinking that Queen keeps dropping, because the "combine bump" is wearing off.  More and more prognosticators are looking back on his body of work, and deciding that a couple of games at the end of his college career does not make a complete player out of him.  I would be very scared of taking him at 33.  In fact, I hope that some team does take the reach on him in the 1st round.

I'm not so thrilled with your Tackle in the 3rd, either.  To me, Wanoghu is another Ogbuehi or Margus Hunt.  Guys that just picked up football in their College years don't seem to develop into serious talents in the NFL.

You know that I generally agree with and value your football opinions, so this critique is just plain honest and nothing personal toward you.

Fair enough. I'm certainly not above critique. Ask my ex-wife.   

Tega Wanogho, as described by TDN, seems like a great fit. Could he be another Ogbuehi? Who knows? I suppose there are reasons tDN has him slipping to the third. If Queen didn't slip to the 2nd, I'd have first looked for Josh Jones or Cesar Ruiz to bolster the OL. That's where I think our offense needs the most immediate help. I know alot of guys are calling for a WR there, and I wouldn't be mad at that. But there's enough depth at WR in this draft that I think we could wait. 


Again, TDN's write ups on Queen sold me on him.  After watching the Auburn tape. I think your concerns are justifiable. He looks pretty raw there. 


Who do you see as the most viable LBs worth looking at? 

[SunsetBengal]

(04-03-2020, 08:13 PM)BURROWorBUST Wrote: Fair enough. I'm certainly not above critique. Ask my ex-wife.   

Tega Wanogho, as described by TDN, seems like a great fit. Could he be another Ogbuehi? Who knows? I suppose there are reasons tDN has him slipping to the third. If Queen didn't slip to the 2nd, I'd have first looked for Josh Jones or Cesar Ruiz to bolster the OL. That's where I think our offense needs the most immediate help. I know alot of guys are calling for a WR there, and I wouldn't be mad at that. But there's enough depth at WR in this draft that I think we could wait. 


Again, TDN's write ups on Queen sold me on him.  After watching the Auburn tape. I think your concerns are justifiable. He looks pretty raw there. 


Who do you see as the most viable LBs worth looking at? 

Here's what I got on my last mock.

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• 1  Joe Burrow, QB LSU
• 33  A.J. Epenesa, EDGE Iowa
• 65  Akeem Davis-Gaither, LB Appalachian State
• 107  Tyler Biadasz, IOL Wisconsin
• 147  Khalil Davis, IDL Nebraska
• 180  Binjimen Victor, WR Ohio State
• 215 A.J. Green, CB Oklahoma State
  

Davis-Gaither might be a steal in the 3rd. He might not show as much as Pratt did in year one, but he might also even eclipse what Pratt showed. Draft picks are a lot like lottery picks, you never know which one will be the winner, but it sure is fun to play.

[*SHRacerX*]

(04-03-2020, 06:10 PM)BURROWorBUST Wrote: 1 Joe Burrow, QB LSU  

Has franchise QB written all over him. Swagger. Leadership. Talent. Sold.

2 Patrick Queen, LB LSU

He keeps dropping to 33 on TDN, a big missing piece in our improved defense. Smart. Fast. Hungry.

3 Prince Tega Wanogho, OT Auburn

From what I've read, he's a great fit for us in zone schemes at RT. Still needs a little polish, but he's strong and can move.

4 Van Jefferson, WR Florida

Often described as the 2nd best route runner in this draft, behind Jerry Jeudy.

5 Justin Strnad, LB Wake Forest

Went ILB in the 2nd, OLB in the 5th. All-ACC. Team captain. High motor. Smart. Side-to-sideline. Can rush the passer.

6 Trey Adams, OT Washington

I know he's got a history of injuries. If not, he'd be a day 1 pick. I think he at least has potential to backup Jonah at LT or whoever wins the RT spot.

7 Kendrick Rogers, WR Texas A&M

6'5" Red Zone and contested catch specialist.

Really nice draft overall....I really wanted one of the young safeties like Chinn or Dugger in Rd 3, but with Prince still there you had to take him from a BPA stand. 

I try to do mine with a Bengal visor and glasses on....and for whatever reason, I think the Bengals are happy with Hart and Johnson fighting it out for RT.  Hart could easily lose his job and be a camp casualty and the Bengals would have to have a draft pick like Price to be the backup.  So, it makes sense really either way for them.  

[BURROWorBUST]

(04-05-2020, 09:21 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Really nice draft overall....I really wanted one of the young safeties like Chinn or Dugger in Rd 3, but with Prince still there you had to take him from a BPA stand. 

I try to do mine with a Bengal visor and glasses on....and for whatever reason, I think the Bengals are happy with Hart and Johnson fighting it out for RT.  Hart could easily lose his job and be a camp casualty and the Bengals would have to have a draft pick like Price to be the backup.  So, it makes sense really either way for them.  

Yeah, and Xavier Fila Suo looks like an upgrade for us, if you watch the Orange Insider video from Matt Minich. So, alot of things have me scratching my head about what position/s we might be targeting at 33. I don't know in what order, but OL, LB, & WR make the most sense to most of us, if not all. 

[*SHRacerX*]

(04-05-2020, 11:53 PM)BURROWorBUST Wrote: Yeah, and Xavier Fila Suo looks like an upgrade for us, if you watch the Orange Insider video from Matt Minich. So, alot of things have me scratching my head about what position/s we might be targeting at 33. I don't know in what order, but OL, LB, & WR make the most sense to most of us, if not all. 

One thing about the Bengals is they typically try to have a replacement drafted and ready to go when a current starter is in the last year of his deal, so you could see AJ Green's successor as well as Shawn William's be targeted fairly early.  Even though they have Bell signed for three years, his deal is really designed to allow the Bengals out after two....and losing Fej was also a pretty big blow to the safety squad.  If they are able to get a SS like Chinn or Dugger, they could play them some at nickel LB as well as groom them to replace Bell in a couple years.  

As far as the offensive line goes, I started to think that one thing they may be considering is after hopefully sliding back in Rd 2 for an extra third (that assumes Queen is gone, otherwise they take him) is Cesar Ruiz, and moving Hopkins to play Guard.  Again, trying to think along with the Bengals, if they want a young center to bring along with Burrow (and a WR...Claypool??) then Ruiz is probably the most impactful rookie we could add at that area and could start right away.  He also upgrades the RG spot by moving Hopkins there.  XSF is a solid player, but might be more of a backup here.  And he has an injury history.

[BURROWorBUST]

(04-06-2020, 09:25 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: One thing about the Bengals is they typically try to have a replacement drafted and ready to go when a current starter is in the last year of his deal, so you could see AJ Green's successor as well as Shawn William's be targeted fairly early.  Even though they have Bell signed for three years, his deal is really designed to allow the Bengals out after two....and losing Fej was also a pretty big blow to the safety squad.  If they are able to get a SS like Chinn or Dugger, they could play them some at nickel LB as well as groom them to replace Bell in a couple years.  

As far as the offensive line goes, I started to think that one thing they may be considering is after hopefully sliding back in Rd 2 for an extra third (that assumes Queen is gone, otherwise they take him) is Cesar Ruiz, and moving Hopkins to play Guard.  Again, trying to think along with the Bengals, if they want a young center to bring along with Burrow (and a WR...Claypool??) then Ruiz is probably the most impactful rookie we could add at that area and could start right away.  He also upgrades the RG spot by moving Hopkins there.  XSF is a solid player, but might be more of a backup here.  And he has an injury history.

Chinn is intriguing. I can't think of a player who's moved up more dramatically on the TDN draft simulator. I remember seeing him being there in the 5th and 6th rounds. Now, it looks like he'll go in the 2nd. It would be a surprise, I think, if we went safety in the 2nd, but it's possible that Delpit drops, and Chinn Dugger, and Antoine Winfield could all be targets for us, especially if we plan to trade Shawn Williams. Even if we don't we might end up with a safety. 

Ruiz might go in the 1st, but if not, he's likely to be the best IOL available in Round 2. I know Ezra Cleveland's stock has risen at OT, but his rise is tied to his combine performance, not his actual play here at Boise State. He's ok, but not a 2nd rounder. Now, if Josh jones is there, I think we should run to the podium.

At LB, I just hope we grab an ILB and an OLB. Two of any of these guys would be fine with me.

2nd Round: There's a chance Murray or Queen falls.
3rd Round: Malik Harrison /Logan Wilson / Willie Gay
4th Round Akeem Davis-Gaither / Troy Dye 
5th Round Shaq Quarterman / Evan Weaver
6th Round Justin Strnad 

At WR, I really see only 3 candidates, Reagor, Higgins, and Shenault. 

Which way are you leaning? I think I'd lean Oline, LB, WR, S, in that order. We need to win in the trenches. I wan't to see what Mixon can do behind a REAL Oline. And, of course, we have to protect Burrow. 

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(04-06-2020, 01:02 PM)BURROWorBUST Wrote: Chinn is intriguing. I can't think of a player who's moved up more dramatically on the TDN draft simulator. I remember seeing him being there in the 5th and 6th rounds. Now, it looks like he'll go in the 2nd. It would be a surprise, I think, if we went safety in the 2nd, but it's possible that Delpit drops, and Chinn Dugger, and Antoine Winfield could all be targets for us, especially if we plan to trade Shawn Williams. Even if we don't we might end up with a safety. 

Ruiz might go in the 1st, but if not, he's likely to be the best IOL available in Round 2. I know Ezra Cleveland's stock has risen at OT, but his rise is tied to his combine performance, not his actual play here at Boise State. He's ok, but not a 2nd rounder. Now, if Josh jones is there, I think we should run to the podium.

At LB, I just hope we grab an ILB and an OLB. Two of any of these guys would be fine with me.

2nd Round: There's a chance Murray or Queen falls.
3rd Round: Malik Harrison /Logan Wilson / Willie Gay
4th Round Akeem Davis-Gaither / Troy Dye 
5th Round Shaq Quarterman / Evan Weaver
6th Round Justin Strnad 

At WR, I really see only 3 candidates, Reagor, Higgins, and Shenault. 

Which way are you leaning? I think I'd lean Oline, LB, WR, S, in that order. We need to win in the trenches. I wan't to see what Mixon can do behind a REAL Oline. And, of course, we have to protect Burrow. 

With you on everything but the WR ratings...I have to lean LB first, then WR, then offensive line.  I see a guy like Damien Lewis that could be a beast of a RG.  I think the Bengals are pretty happy elsewhere right now.  Even with Hart at RT, he is improving and is only 25.  Whit didn't start outside until he was 27.  People forget that....and they might have found a real gem in Fred Johnson.  He can push Hart to start at RT or backup both tackle spots.  

At the Top of Rd 3, I would see Bryan Edwards, Michael Pittman, or Chase Claypool.  I really like Claypool, but I think the Bengals will prefer Edwards.  

I am really, really hoping Queen falls to them at the top of Rd 2, and they double dip in LB by taking a day 3 LB in rd 4-5.  Personally, I hope Damien Lewis in Rd 4 and the extra LB in Rd 5.  

The real challenge for me will be can they slide in Rd 2 and gain an additional 3rd rounder.  If they do that, it will likely go from LB to SS in Rd 2.  That is where the top talent is falling for the safety position.  They could then get their LB AND WR in Rd 3, and then the guard in Rd 4.  

As much as I would love to have the extra pick, I am not letting Queen go if he is there at #33.