Just rewatched the game offensive gameplan was absolutely atrocious..

[Tlawsonmariat82]

The offensive coaching staff needs to get better in a hurry;biggest problem I can see is that there's no strategy,no creativity and absolutely no identity..one drive we had burrow under center hands to Mixon for 7 yards,come back next play in empty formation on 2&3..

Play calling is about putting the defense on it's heels meaning be creative enough to not be predictable there has to be better play selection than that;we'll never accomplish anything offensively with that kind of erratic play calling...

Great game planners use one thing to set up the next how can you keep a defense on it's heels if you call plays from formations that's so predictable??

[Nati#1]

Im starting to think Zac Taylor plays alot of Madden and College football video games. No thought about the play just make a route and go with it.. Zachary needs fired. We need some expirence at HC. Zac has ZERO credibility. He wasnt good at Cincinnati as OC..his only credibility is his wifes dad.. Just shows why you cant hire someome based on "who they know".

[Tlawsonmariat82]

(10-14-2020, 09:56 PM)Nati#1 Wrote: Im starting to think Zac Taylor plays alot of Madden and College football video games. No thought about the play just make a route and go with it.. Zachary needs fired. We need some expirence at HC. Zac has ZERO credibility. He wasnt good at Cincinnati as OC..his only credibility is his wifes dad.. Just shows why you cant hire someome based on "who they know".

Don't know if he needs fired but he definitely should be relieved of everything that has to do with the offensive gameplanning-playcalling ect..I would bring in a oc with experience in the offseason no way we can afford to keep going down this road..

[jj22]

You rewatched the game....

A glut for punishment I see.

[Tlawsonmariat82]

(10-14-2020, 10:30 PM)jj22 Wrote: You rewatched the game....

A glut for punishment I see.

Not really,alot of good things happened defensively it was really nice to see our young linebacking core play well..we haven't been able to say that in a long time around here..

[impactplaya]

Zac looks clueless on the sideline.
He couldnt win.a Madden tourney in.a 12 and under group.
If he got canned this year he would never coach again
In.the NFL. No.team would hire him for any.coaching position

This coaching blunder has set this franchise back.
they could have had Eric Bienemy.
Now they are paying for that mistake

[*SHRacerX*]

(10-14-2020, 11:19 PM)impactplaya Wrote: Zac looks clueless on the sideline.
He couldnt win.a Madden tourney in.a 12 and under group.
If he got canned this year he would never coach again
In.the NFL. No.team would hire him for any.coaching position

This coaching blunder has set this franchise back.
they could have had Eric Bienemy.
Now they are paying for that mistake

I am not so sure Bienemy is the offensive guru he is made out to be...Pretty sure those route concepts are from Andy Reid.  And they have an absolute stable of horses on offense over there.  Not saying ZT is doing a good job, but not sure Bienemy would be better.  And with them likely in the Super Bowl again, he would be last to be hired and have to put a staff together after all the other chairs are taken and the music stops.  

[*Synric*]

Alot of the issues with he Ravens game was the lack of run game and the protection. Joe Burrow really struggled setting the protections and the offensive line had miscues.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(10-14-2020, 09:23 PM)Tlawsonmariat82 Wrote: The offensive coaching staff needs to get better in a hurry;biggest problem I can see is that there's no strategy,no creativity and absolutely no identity..one drive we had burrow under center hands to Mixon for 7 yards,come back next play in empty formation on 2&3..

Play calling is about putting the defense on it's heels meaning be creative enough to not be predictable there has to be better play selection than that;we'll never accomplish anything offensively with that kind of erratic play calling...

Great game planners use one thing to set up the next how can you keep a defense on it's heels if you call plays from formations that's so predictable??

What's wrong with that? Seriously, there is absolute 0 wrong with following up a run like that with a formation like that.

2nd and short (3 yards or less), you can afford to take a shot or go for a big pass, as the D generally needs to keep guys in to safeguard from a quick run that can net a first down.

Just because execution wasn't there, doesn't mean the call wasn't good.

You people need to stop thinking that you know it all and that, "you can call a better game than coaches."

If we converted a 40 yard gain or a TD on that 2nd and 3, you wouldn't have said a word.

[Tlawsonmariat82]

(10-15-2020, 10:24 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: What's wrong with that? Seriously, there is absolute 0 wrong with following up a run like that with a formation like that.

2nd and short (3 yards or less), you can afford to take a shot or go for a big pass, as the D generally needs to keep guys in to safeguard from a quick run that can net a first down.

Just because execution wasn't there, doesn't mean the call wasn't good.

You people need to stop thinking that you know it all and that, "you can call a better game than coaches."

If we converted a 40 yard gain or a TD on that 2nd and 3, you wouldn't have said a word.

It's alot wrong with that play call,for one it's 100%predictable and for 2 it's horrible situational football..if you want to take a shot right there how about doing it from a double tight end max protection run formation??play action pass right there just might work instead he was blitzed and sacked from that empty formation..

[Whatever]

(10-15-2020, 12:29 PM)Tlawsonmariat82 Wrote: It's alot wrong with that play call,for one it's 100%predictable and for 2 it's horrible situational football..if you want to take a shot right there how about doing it from a double tight end max protection run formation??play action pass right there just might work instead he was blitzed and sacked from that empty formation..

The problem with max protect is that you need WR's that can beat double coverage to make it work.  We don't, which makes max protect plays throwaways at best.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(10-15-2020, 12:29 PM)Tlawsonmariat82 Wrote: It's alot wrong with that play call,for one it's 100%predictable and for 2 it's horrible situational football..if you want to take a shot right there how about doing it from a double tight end max protection run formation??play action pass right there just might work instead he was blitzed and sacked from that empty formation..

Yeah... just because your formation is how YOU would do it, doesn't mean what actually done was, "wrong."

[Geno_Can_Dunk]

(10-15-2020, 10:24 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: What's wrong with that? Seriously, there is absolute 0 wrong with following up a run like that with a formation like that.

2nd and short (3 yards or less), you can afford to take a shot or go for a big pass, as the D generally needs to keep guys in to safeguard from a quick run that can net a first down.

Just because execution wasn't there, doesn't mean the call wasn't good.

You people need to stop thinking that you know it all and that, "you can call a better game than coaches."

If we converted a 40 yard gain or a TD on that 2nd and 3, you wouldn't have said a word.

Absolutely correct. 

Going from an under center run to an empty set is keeping the defense guessing - if it works. But it didn't, so the knee jerk reaction is that it's "predictable." 

I don't want to defend ZT, because he's responsible for a lot of problems. But blaming the playcalling is overrated. ZT even said that some of the sacks came because the OL couldn't pick up simple stunts or blitzes that they should've picked up. Now, that's some combination of player failure and bad coaching, and yes ZT is complicit in that (he hired Turner after all), but sitting on your Lazy Boy trying to play offensive coordinator by saying every call that doesn't work was "predictable" is just silly. 

[Tlawsonmariat82]

(10-15-2020, 01:32 PM)Geno_Can_Dunk Wrote: Absolutely correct. 

Going from an under center run to an empty set is keeping the defense guessing - if it works. But it didn't, so the knee jerk reaction is that it's "predictable." 

I don't want to defend ZT, because he's responsible for a lot of problems. But blaming the playcalling is overrated. ZT even said that some of the sacks came because the OL couldn't pick up simple stunts or blitzes that they should've picked up. Now, that's some combination of player failure and bad coaching, and yes ZT is complicit in that (he hired Turner after all), but sitting on your Lazy Boy trying to play offensive coordinator by saying every call that doesn't work was "predictable" is just silly. 

Going from under center to five wide empty backfield keeps the defense guessing??five wide on second and 3 after a nice run against a blitz happy defense with this offensive line,and a rookie qb?forgive me for stating the obvious but that's horrible situional football it's that simple..

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(10-15-2020, 01:59 PM)Tlawsonmariat82 Wrote: Going from under center to five wide empty backfield keeps the defense guessing??five wide on second and 3 after a nice run against a blitz happy defense with this offensive line,and a rookie qb?forgive me for stating the obvious but that's horrible situional football it's that simple..

...nnnnno it's not.

Just because you say it, doesn't make it so.

[Joelist]

If you're going to slam the playcalling it should be more in terms of them calling plays beyond the ability of the OL to execute properly. ZT said they had problems picking up stunts and blitzes - well that has been going on the entire season and was happening last season. Unless you can suddenly fix their ability to read the defense you have to (at least temporarily) stop running plays that put that much pressure on the OL - like empty backfield.