Do we want this staff near a #1 pick?

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(11-25-2019, 07:34 PM)bengals67 Wrote: This is very true.

Honestly, in my opinion, there is almost no hope for this team unless they hire an experienced coach with credibility to bring in a top staff.

And who is given control over personnel with a greatly expanded scouting group.

Plus a willingness to add at least 6 quality starting players through first three draft picks and three quality free agents.

Such a new program will still take 2 to 3 years to make turn this aging roster into a playoff contender.

This is never going to happen.

Yep, if the FO continues down its normal path, we're back to hoping we catch lightning in a bottle again, and actually win a playoff game this time. Yay.

[MEBengalsFan]

(11-25-2019, 12:20 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Indeed. Seems most debates on here start and end with nobody can win under MB...

Taylor is a horrible coach though...and this team should have more than 0 wins.

Teams with 0 wins are ones that are purposely gutted. And even they generally win 2-3 games.

I think the Bengals would have won it all when CP went down with an injury. The same can be said in 2015. It seems whenever the team is fielding a winning team it ends up being torn apart. That is the FO doing and not the coaches.  The coaches end up needing to find plug in players and hopefully they have someone on the team already and if not it won't come through FA and with the draft you only have 7-9 players on average to bring in with most not providing an immediate impact. 

It isn't MB running the books that has been Kate and her husband. This organization needs a true experienced GM to come in and ask the Brown family to let him/her run the show. From there, the organization culture can change. Until that is done it won't matter who the coach is; they will be dealing with owners who simply care more about their income potential than they do about winning. What they don't seem to get is that the PATS, Steelers, Cowboys, Eagles, Giants, 49ers, Seahawks, etc... all teams with SB rings tend to have better revenue do to extending their fanbase by winning the big game. 

Even small market teams like the Packers have a big fan base all do to winning the big game. 

[THE PISTONS]

(11-26-2019, 04:52 PM)MEBengalsFan Wrote: I think the Bengals would have won it all when CP went down with an injury. The same can be said in 2015. It seems whenever the team is fielding a winning team it ends up being torn apart. That is the FO doing and not the coaches.  The coaches end up needing to find plug in players and hopefully they have someone on the team already and if not it won't come through FA and with the draft you only have 7-9 players on average to bring in with most not providing an immediate impact. 

It isn't MB running the books that has been Kate and her husband. This organization needs a true experienced GM to come in and ask the Brown family to let him/her run the show. From there, the organization culture can change. Until that is done it won't matter who the coach is; they will be dealing with owners who simply care more about their income potential than they do about winning. What they don't seem to get is that the PATS, Steelers, Cowboys, Eagles, Giants, 49ers, Seahawks, etc... all teams with SB rings tend to have better revenue do to extending their fanbase by winning the big game. 

Even small market teams like the Packers have a big fan base all do to winning the big game. 

The 2015 team started 8-8 and finished 4-4. They peaked early and backed into the playoffs. They had a win and couldn't even hang onto that. Hard to say that's a championship level team.

The Palmer team? Who knows? The offense was great. Defense bad.

Sheer probability says we should be in a SB sometime soon when you look at other NFL Teams. All but, 4-5 have won 5+ playoff games since we last won 1.

[Rubekahn29]

(11-26-2019, 05:07 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: The 2015 team started 8-8 and finished 4-4. They peaked early and backed into the playoffs. They had a win and couldn't even hang onto that. Hard to say that's a championship level team.

The Palmer team? Who knows? The offense was great. Defense bad.

Sheer probability says we should be in a SB sometime soon when you look at other NFL Teams. All but, 4-5 have won 5+ playoff games since we last won 1.

12-12???? We played 24 games that year? Weird. 

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(11-26-2019, 05:07 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: The 2015 team started 8-8 and finished 4-4. They peaked early and backed into the playoffs. They had a win and couldn't even hang onto that. Hard to say that's a championship level team.

The Palmer team? Who knows? The offense was great. Defense bad.

Sheer probability says we should be in a SB sometime soon when you look at other NFL Teams. All but, 4-5 have won 5+ playoff games since we last won 1.

But Dalton missed what, the last 4 games? I think they would have beaten Denver at the very least, which would have secured a 1st Rd bye, and who knows from there.

[I_C_DeadPeople]

(11-25-2019, 02:45 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: The staff that decided to be edgy and took Sample with their second round pick last year, no thanks. But hey they might need 50 games to evaluate him.  

Mikey loves the guys that take the full 4 years to 'develop' - it gives Hobs great material to write every spring and it keeps the stat going that Mikey loves "the team with the highest number of draft picks on it". Spend no money on scouting, draft poorly, coach poorly and keep the draft picks on the roster as long as possible.

[THE PISTONS]

(11-26-2019, 06:40 PM)Wyche Wrote: But Dalton missed what, the last 4 games? I think they would have beaten Denver at the very least, which would have secured a 1st Rd bye, and who knows from there.

Maybe so...but never underestimate this teams ability to lose.

[Shake n Blake]

(11-26-2019, 08:58 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Maybe so...but never underestimate this teams ability to lose.

I don't think you'll find anyone who could disagree with that.

[bengaloo]

If its Burrows then I dont think so. They can get near Chase Young all day though. They can always get someone like Eason in the 2nd who may end up better than Burrows anyway.

[THE PISTONS]

(11-26-2019, 10:01 PM)bengaloo Wrote: If its Burrows then I dont think so. They can get near Chase Young all day though. They can always get someone like Eason in the 2nd who may end up better than Burrows anyway.

Don't forget a guy like Vernon Gholston who was a bust at DE. Looked like a freak athlete that would dominate.

Aaron Curry is another name that comes to mind.

[THE PISTONS]

PLEASE DO NOT let this staff ruin Sewell's potential HOF career!

Get a coach in there that lets him maul people. Don't put him in a passive blocking scheme!

Leaving Zac coach a 2nd year allowed Burrow to get his knee shredded. Save Penei!