Will Players Start Being Excited To Come Here?

[Gdale_Bengal]

They start winning games with Burrow this franchise will be much more desirable

[spazz70]

Indoor practice facility...They have one...is it a full field? No, but quit saying that they do not have one. There is one at PBS and UC that they use when it is necessary, which is really not that often.

[Wes Mantooth]

(03-21-2021, 01:10 PM)spazz70 Wrote: Indoor practice facility...They have one...is it a full field? No, but quit saying that they do not have one.  There is one at PBS and UC that they use when it is necessary, which is really not that often.

Calling that thing they have at PBS an indoor facility is absolutely ridiculous.  It's a converted basketball court with astroturf on it.

It's probably between 25-35 yards long and between 15-25 feet wide.  It also has lowered ceilings.

Picture standing on a basketball court (I'm sure we've all been on one before).  Now picture that court being filled with at 80 grown men on it, many of which are extemely large. (53 man Roster + 10 man practice squad + the 17 coaches that are listed on the Bengals website + misc staff)

If you picture that setting you'll quickly realize having any semblence of practice there is absolutely absured.  You couldn't even participate in a walkthrough.  You can't punt, you can't kick, you can drop back more than 5 yards and throw it more than 15 without running the risk of your receiver running into a wall.

That's gotta be used for position groups, or for less than 20 people at a time, going through the most basic of drills and moves.  Just to put into complete perspective, it's so small yyou can't even time the 40 yard dash in it.

As far as UC, I think it's interesting use the word "necessary", "that they hey can use it when it's necessary".  What do you deem as necessary?  Is it only snow?  Is it cold?  It it rain?  When exactly is it necessary?

Fwiw, my buddy used to work in UC's athletic department.  He told me a couple of years ago that if he had to guess the Bengals had used UC's bubble less than a dozen times in the years since it had been built (would have neen about 7 years at this point).  So they rarely use it. 

You should know too that UC's bubble isn't just available at the Bengals beckon call.  UC isn't going to ever move one of their own programs out to accomidate the Bengals.  If it's scheduled to be used by any of their sports teams then you're SOL if wanna try to book it.

To recap, the Bengals basically have a 30 yard long putt-putt hole at PBS that isn't an indoor facility.  And UC has a facility, not the Bengals.  Although they have let the Bengals rent it a few times over the years.

Quit trying to make excuses for them.

[*Nately120*]

(03-21-2021, 11:05 AM)grampahol Wrote: Nothing says excitement like getting paid too much money to play a kids game.. They either want the money or they don't..bottom line.. 

Being a professional athlete is hardly kids stuff.  You may as well say it is easy to be a CFO because you had a toy cash register as a kid. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-20-2021, 08:52 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: It's sad when signing a few free agents gets us this excited, but, given that we do appear determined to try and improve the roster, do you think free agents will be excited to come here for once?  

We have Burrow and Mixon as the faces of our franchise and free agents/draft picks/potential trade candidates could look at it and see that we're a team that's trending up and is committed to winning.  

I realize that we still have a lot of flaws in our organization (i.e. no practice bubble, training facility, etc), and I also realize that money rules everything, but do you think our team could start being a desirable destination?

I also realize that Cincinnati isn't the most desirable city, but is that something that can also be ignored to want to play here?

Yeah, Burrow alone makes players excited to come here. Dude had the greatest season for a QB in college football history
and followed it up with record breaking yardage stats before he went down with injury and did it behind a sieve of an OL.

My hope is the coaches, namely Zac and Lou improve big time. They can, it is not impossible. Zac is young and Lou is only 
in his 3rd year as a DC and has had tons of injuries on his side of the ball. Have to start winning games though and most
notably the close ones as we just lose them under Zac. We start winning the close ones and things will start to look up.

Losing close games is a sign of bad coaching.

The Chiefs won all their close games last year pretty much while we lost them all.

[BengalsFanRealist2855]

(03-21-2021, 03:05 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yeah, Burrow alone makes players excited to come here. Dude had the greatest season for a QB in college football history
and followed it up with record breaking yardage stats before he went down with injury and did it behind a sieve of an OL.

My hope is the coaches, namely Zac and Lou improve big time. They can, it is not impossible. Zac is young and Lou is only 
in his 3rd year as a DC and has had tons of injuries on his side of the ball. Have to start winning games though and most
notably the close ones as we just lose them under Zac. We start winning the close ones and things will start to look up.

Losing close games is a sign of bad coaching.

The Chiefs won all their close games last year pretty much while we lost them all.

I didnt hear any players excited to come here when we had dalton. Now you hear some players wanting to play with burrow. 

[BFritz21]

(03-21-2021, 10:41 AM)Fullrock Wrote: When is the last time you were in Cincinnati? The OTR area is awesome with all kinds of restaurants, bars, breweries, etc. Downtown area has some awesome restaurants as well, and The Banks area between the two stadiums is a good time.  My brother used to live in the apartments at The Banks and several Reds and Bengals players lived there. The casino is downtown also. There is plenty to do in the city, and it has been ranked a top travel destination in the US by many different publications, plus it's extremely affordable. 

It's been a year since Covid and yeah it might be building up some but still just doesn't scream "COME HERE!  IT'S LOADS OF FUN!" IMCO.

The Banks is building up and the bars and restaurants downtown and in OTR have always been a good time but nothing that made a person want to come to Cincinnati.  

(03-21-2021, 03:05 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yeah, Burrow alone makes players excited to come here. Dude had the greatest season for a QB in college football history
and followed it up with record breaking yardage stats before he went down with injury and did it behind a sieve of an OL.

My hope is the coaches, namely Zac and Lou improve big time. They can, it is not impossible. Zac is young and Lou is only 
in his 3rd year as a DC and has had tons of injuries on his side of the ball. Have to start winning games though and most
notably the close ones as we just lose them under Zac. We start winning the close ones and things will start to look up.

Losing close games is a sign of bad coaching.

The Chiefs won all their close games last year pretty much while we lost them all.

Yeah, knowing our luck, I'm nervous about the coaches improving just because I became so conditioned by Marvin refusing to evolve with the new game or adapt to his teams' abilities.  I'm hoping that Zac and Lou grow as coaches and coach to the team's strengths but, like I said, I'm so conditioned from Marvin and Mike that I don't have high hopes.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-21-2021, 07:41 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Yeah, knowing our luck, I'm nervous about the coaches improving just because I became so conditioned by Marvin refusing to evolve with the new game or adapt to his teams' abilities.  I'm hoping that Zac and Lou grow as coaches and coach to the team's strengths but, like I said, I'm so conditioned from Marvin and Mike that I don't have high hopes.

Understandable. We can only wait and see but Burrow should give us all hope and we added a good RT to protect him 
and we have added some good players to the Defense and the Draft could bring us some very good players. I liked our 
FA and Draft last Offseason and so far this Offseason has been good. High hopes is my favorite Pink Floyd song BTW.

[Sled21]

(03-21-2021, 02:23 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Calling that thing they have at PBS an indoor facility is absolutely ridiculous.  It's a converted basketball court with astroturf on it.

It's probably between 25-35 yards long and between 15-25 feet wide.  It also has lowered ceilings.

Picture standing on a basketball court (I'm sure we've all been on one before).  Now picture that court being filled with at 80 grown men on it, many of which are extemely large. (53 man Roster + 10 man practice squad + the 17 coaches that are listed on the Bengals website + misc staff)

If you picture that setting you'll quickly realize having any semblence of practice there is absolutely absured.  You couldn't even participate in a walkthrough.  You can't punt, you can't kick, you can drop back more than 5 yards and throw it more than 15 without running the risk of your receiver running into a wall.

That's gotta be used for position groups, or for less than 20 people at a time, going through the most basic of drills and moves.  Just to put into complete perspective, it's so small yyou can't even time the 40 yard dash in it.

As far as UC, I think it's interesting use the word "necessary", "that they hey can use it when it's necessary".  What do you deem as necessary?  Is it only snow?  Is it cold?  It it rain?  When exactly is it necessary?

Fwiw, my buddy used to work in UC's athletic department.  He told me a couple of years ago that if he had to guess the Bengals had used UC's bubble less than a dozen times in the years since it had been built (would have neen about 7 years at this point).  So they rarely use it. 

You should know too that UC's bubble isn't just available at the Bengals beckon call.  UC isn't going to ever move one of their own programs out to accomidate the Bengals.  If it's scheduled to be used by any of their sports teams then you're SOL if wanna try to book it.

To recap, the Bengals basically have a 30 yard long putt-putt hole at PBS that isn't an indoor facility.  And UC has a facility, not the Bengals.  Although they have let the Bengals rent it a few times over the years.

Quit trying to make excuses for them.

I've pretty much come to the conclusion that if they are going to build an indoor facility, Covington is the place to do it. Lot's of available space across the bridge.

[BFritz21]

(03-21-2021, 02:23 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Calling that thing they have at PBS an indoor facility is absolutely ridiculous.  It's a converted basketball court with astroturf on it.

It's probably between 25-35 yards long and between 15-25 feet wide.  It also has lowered ceilings.

Picture standing on a basketball court (I'm sure we've all been on one before).  Now picture that court being filled with at 80 grown men on it, many of which are extemely large. (53 man Roster + 10 man practice squad + the 17 coaches that are listed on the Bengals website + misc staff)

If you picture that setting you'll quickly realize having any semblence of practice there is absolutely absured.  You couldn't even participate in a walkthrough.  You can't punt, you can't kick, you can drop back more than 5 yards and throw it more than 15 without running the risk of your receiver running into a wall.

That's gotta be used for position groups, or for less than 20 people at a time, going through the most basic of drills and moves.  Just to put into complete perspective, it's so small yyou can't even time the 40 yard dash in it.

As far as UC, I think it's interesting use the word "necessary", "that they hey can use it when it's necessary".  What do you deem as necessary?  Is it only snow?  Is it cold?  It it rain?  When exactly is it necessary?

Fwiw, my buddy used to work in UC's athletic department.  He told me a couple of years ago that if he had to guess the Bengals had used UC's bubble less than a dozen times in the years since it had been built (would have neen about 7 years at this point).  So they rarely use it. 

You should know too that UC's bubble isn't just available at the Bengals beckon call.  UC isn't going to ever move one of their own programs out to accomidate the Bengals.  If it's scheduled to be used by any of their sports teams then you're SOL if wanna try to book it.

To recap, the Bengals basically have a 30 yard long putt-putt hole at PBS that isn't an indoor facility.  And UC has a facility, not the Bengals.  Although they have let the Bengals rent it a few times over the years.

Quit trying to make excuses for them.

Yeah.  In high school in Covington, when the weather got too bad, sometimes we practiced at an indoor soccer field next to our high school that was a lot better than our "indoor practice field," and that wasn't even an adequate space for our high school team.

(03-22-2021, 12:22 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I've pretty much come to the conclusion that if they are going to build an indoor facility, Covington is the place to do it. Lot's of available space across the bridge.

Never thought about that but it is a very interesting idea.......  especially with people trying to build-up the Covington area.

Hell of an idea!

[grampahol]

(03-21-2021, 02:48 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Being a professional athlete is hardly kids stuff.  You may as well say it is easy to be a CFO because you had a toy cash register as a kid. 

Still just a kids game..I played football as a kid as did most of us..  Just because they're grown men doesn't negate the fact it's still a kids game.. 

[XenoMorph]

(03-20-2021, 08:52 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: It's sad when signing a few free agents gets us this excited, but, given that we do appear determined to try and improve the roster, do you think free agents will be excited to come here for once?  

We have Burrow and Mixon as the faces of our franchise and free agents/draft picks/potential trade candidates could look at it and see that we're a team that's trending up and is committed to winning.  

I realize that we still have a lot of flaws in our organization (i.e. no practice bubble, training facility, etc), and I also realize that money rules everything, but do you think our team could start being a desirable destination?

I also realize that Cincinnati isn't the most desirable city, but is that something that can also be ignored to want to play here?

Not until the coaching staff proves they can win and the Front office is willing to spend to win.. They are spending now cause they have to..

Right now coaching staff has shown little to nothing in that reguard.    

Front office is spending but really just replacing at the moment.


So right now Fans arent even that excited cant imagine a free agent would be.,

I do think a few of the players like Burrow will do much to attract a coach if we end up looking again.

[*ochocincos*]

(03-20-2021, 10:49 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: I’m trying to figure out how the top tackle on the market got a huuuge contract that is by far the most money handed out this free agency and the second best tackle came here and didn’t break the bank. He chose to accept a below market contract to play here. Of course he has made the big bucks before in his career. But still

I know PFF isn't gospel, but here was OT ranking for Trent Williams and Riley Reiff.
Williams - 1st OT (91.9 grade)
Reiff - 38th OT (71.4 grade)

So the reason for the discrepancy is due to the level of their performance compared to the other OTs in the league.

[*Nately120*]

(03-23-2021, 03:06 PM)grampahol Wrote: Still just a kids game..I played football as a kid as did most of us..  Just because they're grown men doesn't negate the fact it's still a kids game.. 

Yeah, and playing war as a kid makes me a four star general.  Let's just agree to disagree on one.

[kalibengal]

(03-21-2021, 01:10 PM)spazz70 Wrote: Indoor practice facility...They have one...is it a full field? No, but quit saying that they do not have one.  There is one at PBS and UC that they use when it is necessary, which is really not that often.

Been hearing about this issue forever it seems and I cant fathom that an NFL team doesnt have the $ to build one. What does a legit practice bubble cost? 1M or less? thats peanuts to what NFL teams rake in. 

[grampahol]

(03-23-2021, 04:17 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Yeah, and playing war as a kid makes me a four star general.  Let's just agree to disagree on one.

You kidding? I was a 5 star general and dictator of an empire to boot.. OK so it was just a few smaller kids under me, but my point is football, baseball, basketball..all of them are kids games as well being played by grown men. After all, the vast majority of them start out playing the game as kids and never really grow out of it. Personally I wanted to be a pro chutes and ladders player.. maybe a pro candylander.. 

[*Nately120*]

(03-23-2021, 09:55 PM)grampahol Wrote: You kidding? I was a 5 star general and dictator of an empire to boot.. OK so it was just a few smaller kids under me, but my point is football, baseball, basketball..all of them are kids games as well being played by grown men. After all, the vast majority of them start out playing the game as kids and never really grow out of it. Personally I wanted to be a pro chutes and ladders player.. maybe a pro candylander.. 

Meh, people who aren't pro athletes consider professional sports to be "games."  Toss gifted busts like Johhny Manzel, Ryan Leaf, and Jamarcus Russel into that pile, too.  I sure hope Joe Burrow doesn't think football is a kids game, or at least he thinks of it as the type of kiddie game that requires years of discipline and hard work beyond the scope of 99%+ of the public. 

I get where you are coming from, though.  Lord knows when I learned my first guitar chord I started wondering where I'd put all my platinum albums.