***Week 11 GameDay Thread - Bengals @ Raiders***

[Joelist]

(11-21-2021, 07:26 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: He is also constantly feeling pressure before there even is any. Compounding a problem by running out of a clean pocket.

Exactly., The "OL sucks" thing is a pat response. Burrow has had some pressure but also has had plenty of time to throw but is off target. He also is making bad decisions in the pocket. He just took a sack when he EASILY could have either scrambled through the hole or thrown it away. The sack-fumble was also him just sitting there holding the ball. 

Also, this is where our sucking at traps, draws and screens hurts. They are pass rushing aggressively but we do absolutely nothing to burn the rush. 

[Frank Booth]

(11-21-2021, 07:29 PM)impactplaya Wrote: Is Joe automatically going to Chase as his
1st read? If so he is probally doubled everytime
Downfield. Higgins as only 2 targets all day.

The constant pressure and Jamarr chase is turning burrow into mister 1 read

[reuben.ahmed]

The only thing that seems to be working is Boyd slants, keep doing it until they adjust? lol

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(11-21-2021, 07:27 PM)The Caped Crusader Wrote: I will have to watch the game on rewind, but haven't seen much clean pocket. He's still taking hits well after throwing. 

I have just seen 4 times or so now where Burrow scrambles out of the pocket while there is no pressure. The OL can't block for him if he runs out of there, and the offense can do nothing if he is busy running rather than looking down field.

The OL is terrible, but Burrow is also playing scared. To quote Sam Darnold, he is seeing ghosts out there. It makes the situation worse.

[Bengalitis]

Imagine if the raiders had Teeggins, Chase & Boyd.

[*bfine32*]

(11-21-2021, 07:28 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: Yes winning Raiders get the ball to start the 2nd

Thanks. Sirius is my "go to" while travelling, but today the Bengals game is on the same game as the New Orleans game. Although NO was getting beat by about 30 points they stayed with it until it was over. I missed the first 10ish minutes of the Bengals game

[Frank Booth]

(11-21-2021, 07:30 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I have just seen 4 times or so now where Burrow scrambles out of the pocket while there is no pressure. The OL can't block for him if he runs out of there, and the offense can do nothing if he is busy running rather than looking down field.

The OL is terrible, but Burrow is also playing scared. To quote Sam Darnold, he is seeing ghosts out there. It makes the situation worse.

Nice, the bengals are david carr-ing Joey B

They better get this o-line situation fixed before kickoff 2022

[*Awful Llama*]

(11-21-2021, 07:29 PM).Tony Wrote: Burrow has 78 yards lol..

Carr only has 69.

[reuben.ahmed]

(11-21-2021, 07:30 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I have just seen 4 times or so now where Burrow scrambles out of the pocket while there is no pressure. The OL can't block for him if he runs out of there, and the offense can do nothing if he is busy running rather than looking down field.

The OL is terrible, but Burrow is also playing scared. To quote Sam Darnold, he is seeing ghosts out there. It makes the situation worse.

Sam almost ended his career with those 3-4 words

[George Cantstandya]

(11-21-2021, 07:30 PM)Joelist Wrote: Exactly., The "OL sucks" thing is a pat response. Burrow has had some pressure but also has had plenty of time to throw but is off target. He also is making bad decisions in the pocket. He just took a sack when he EASILY could have either scrambled through the hole or thrown it away. The sack-fumble was also him just sitting there holding the ball. 

Also, this is where our sucking at traps, draws and screens hurts. They are pass rushing aggressively but we do absolutely nothing to burn the rush. 

They said at half time Burrow sacked twice, 9 pressures and 5 hits.  He has 18 passing attempts.   So he has been pressured half of his attempts.

[KillerGoose]

(11-21-2021, 07:30 PM)Joelist Wrote: Exactly., The "OL sucks" thing is a pat response. Burrow has had some pressure but also has had plenty of time to throw but is off target. He also is making bad decisions in the pocket. He just took a sack when he EASILY could have either scrambled through the hole or thrown it away. The sack-fumble was also him just sitting there holding the ball. 

Also, this is where our sucking at traps, draws and screens hurts. They are pass rushing aggressively but we do absolutely nothing to burn the rush. 

Yeah, the line isn't as bad as many make it out to be. Don't get me wrong, they are good, but they aren't an awful line. Burrow shares responsibility, but he is so likeable that many people don't blame him. 

[matmaven]

(11-21-2021, 07:27 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: It’s a coping mechanism

They don’t want to accept that Frank pollack and Riley reef aren’t the answers

They really thought the 3 studs at receiver would just magically open up the running game

Coming into this game Bengals are in the Bottom 10 in sacks allowed and rushing yards per game.  That's a good indicator the Oline is still not very good.  The offense has relied primarily on a lot of big plays.  Hard to maintain that.

[*bfine32*]

Also. can someone rational tell me if the poor offensive showing to date is more on the Qb or Oline?

[KillerGoose]

(11-21-2021, 07:32 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: They said at half time Burrow sacked twice, 9 pressures and 5 hits.  He has 18 passing attempts.   So he has been pressured half of his attempts.

Pressures are also QB controlled. It isn't all on the offensive line, the QB and o-line share responsibility there. 

[reuben.ahmed]

He was sacked only 2 times? Seems like he was sacked at least 3-4?! He fumbled the first sack, he almost fumbled another, he almost broke his knee on another. Guess they didn't call that first sack a sack because he fumbled on it lol

[*rfaulk34*]

(11-21-2021, 07:28 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Had to listen to the 1st half. We are winning right?

Also who gets the ball to start the 2nd half?

Yes. And it looks a lot like game #10 last year when Burrow was under constant pressure--complete with grabbing his knee on that last sack. 

Raiders get it.

[*Awful Llama*]

(11-21-2021, 07:33 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Also. can someone rational tell me if the poor offensive showing to date is more on the Qb or Oline?

O-line.  They're getting pushed around  It's been ugly.

[*pally*]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Something to keep an eye on.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JoeBurrow?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JoeBurrow</a> left knee ACL brace likely saves MCL sprain. Stayed in game but could tighten up in second half. <a href="https://t.co/fw7M8lIUNx">pic.twitter.com/fw7M8lIUNx</a></p>&mdash; David J. Chao - ProFootballDoc (@ProFootballDoc) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballDoc/status/1462549775530663940?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 21, 2021</a></blockquote>

[KillerGoose]

(11-21-2021, 07:33 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Also. can someone rational tell me if the poor offensive showing to date is more on the Qb or Oline?

A bit of both. Burrow is really skittish right now. He's holding onto the ball and has bailed on a couple of clean pockets. Offensive line has struggled as well. 

[*rfaulk34*]

(11-21-2021, 07:29 PM)Synric Wrote: It's the scheme the Raiders defense is filling gaps when Burrow is under center and dropping when hes in the gun.

Issue is the offense not the players.

Nope. Not buying it. Guys are getting their asses beat right off the snap. Losing one on ones left and right.