Who do you sign? (With salary projections)

[Nicomo Cosca]

(02-21-2022, 09:11 PM)bfine32 Wrote: We have a franchise LT. If we go by PFF jonah rated at 77.8. Some of the franchise LTs folks are talking about replacing him with:

Mekhi Becton: 67.2

Laremy Tunsil: 60.8

Terron Armstead; 75.9

Orlando Brown: 75.2

Duane Brown 71.8

Ok.

I think it’s more accurate to say we have what could be a franchise LT. Considering he’s 24 - and has only played one full season so far. But 10 sacks in a season is not currently franchise LT level.

[*bfine32*]

FWIW..I'm consistent. I think Jonah is a very good LT; it's the same argument I used last year when everyone wanted Sewell

[Nicomo Cosca]

(02-21-2022, 09:13 PM)bfine32 Wrote: They gave up more

I must have been remembering wrong.

[Whatever]

(02-21-2022, 09:11 PM)bfine32 Wrote: We have a franchise LT. If we go by PFF jonah rated at 77.8. Some of the franchise LTs folks are talking about replacing him with:

Mekhi Becton: 67.2

Laremy Tunsil: 60.8

Terron Armstead; 75.9

Orlando Brown: 75.2

Duane Brown 71.8

Jonah's best attribute coming out of college was his technique.  Now folks want to have him switch sides and screw up his technique?  

Being fair, a lot of the guys you listed were injured and had very small sample sizes, but moving Jonah is diminishing returns.  People should also realize that the two best pass rushers in the AFCN, Garrett and Watt, usually line up against the RR.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(02-21-2022, 09:22 PM)Whatever Wrote: Jonah's best attribute coming out of college was his technique.  Now folks want to have him switch sides and screw up his technique?  

Being fair, a lot of the guys you listed were injured and had very small sample sizes, but moving Jonah is diminishing returns.  People should also realize that the two best pass rushers in the AFCN, Garrett and Watt, usually line up against the RR.

Just to be clear, I don’t “want” to move Jonah, it’s just an option to discuss in some of these scenarios. That said, the team seems pretty adamant about not moving him. Which I’m completely fine with. I think he’ll get better than he is right now.

[*bfine32*]

(02-21-2022, 09:13 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: I'm fine with going that route, but an upgrade at LT, a decent priced FA G and moving Jonah to RT, also fixes 3 spots for the same money. That still leaves C/G options in the draft as well.

I'm just saying there's more than one way to upgrade this line. 

There's absolutely more than 1 way to upgrade the oline. I'm just opposed to the notion that moving a fine 24 year old LT to somewhere else isn't one of them that  should be explored.

Folks have brought up the sacks surrendered by JW, but in about 1100 snaps the dude only committed 4 fouls. A few more holding calls and he'd have fewer sacks, but it would also negate any magic JB might bring. 

[Bengalbug]

(02-21-2022, 09:00 PM)bfine32 Wrote: We could upgrade all 3 interior Oline positions for about the same price a LT "better" than Jonah would cost..

Considering The bengals have never given even decent money to a G or center, I find it highly unlikely they will spend big there. Hope I’m wrong.

See Steinbach and Zietler .

[Bengalbug]

(02-21-2022, 09:29 PM)bfine32 Wrote: There's absolutely more than 1 way to upgrade the oline. I'm just opposed to the notion that moving a fine 24 year old LT to somewhere else isn't one of them that  should be explored.

Folks have brought up the sacks surrendered by JW, but in about 1100 snaps the dude only committed 4 fouls. A few more holding calls and he'd have fewer sacks, but it would also negate any magic JB might bring. 

There was a former bengals T that was an elite LT in college, played his rookie year there and then switched to the right side. He may be the best RT the last 30 years and a hall of fame candidate.

May have heard of him…

Would it be such a bad thing if this same kind of trajectory happened.

[*bfine32*]

(02-21-2022, 09:47 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Considering The bengals have never given even decent money to a G or center, I find it highly unlikely they will spend big there.  Hope I’m wrong.

See Steinbach and Zietler .

Crazy thing is: The one we did throw a little cheddar at abruptly retired on us a couple years later

[leonardfan40]

(02-21-2022, 09:15 PM)bfine32 Wrote: FWIW..I'm consistent. I think Jonah is a very good LT; it's the same argument I used last year when everyone wanted Sewell

I agree, Jonah is more than good enough and will hopefully continue to improve. I think he gets way more flak than he deserves and frankly I’m more than comfortable going into next year with him and Spain as a solid left side of our line if we address the other side.

I did put out a scenario where we go after Armstead for LT who is the only clear upgrade to Jonah available imo. He also has huge injury concerns which are enough to scare anyone away from that scenario. You posted his pff from last season where he played through injury and was still in the same neighborhood as all of the other guys. Prior two years he was pretty healthy (especially if you take out COVID games missed). Pff for prior years was 86.3 and 80.4, 90.4 three years ago. Last 4 years he’s allowed 1 sack, 0 sacks, 3 sacks and 1 sack (less than Jonah allowed this year alone).His grade last year doesn’t do him justice. He’s a truly elite LT when healthy (when healthy being the key words).

If we bring in a LT I only want him. None of the others are big enough upgrades to be worthwhile.

[*bfine32*]

(02-21-2022, 09:54 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: There was a former bengals T that was an elite LT in college, played his rookie year there and then switched to the right side.  He may be the best RT  the last 30 years and a hall of fame candidate.  

May have heard of him…

Would it be such a bad thing if this same kind of trajectory happened.

No need for the snark...

There was also an elite LT in college that we left at LT..he made the Hall of Fame

May have heard of him. 

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(02-21-2022, 09:05 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: But then we’re back to counting on a rookie to be ready immediately. Always a gamble.

Sure, but you're also gambling that Jonah can play RT in the NFL.

1 Guaranteed Starter (Tunsil) + 1 Possible Starter (Jonah)
vs 
3 Guaranteed Starters (Jonah and 2 signed IOL) + 1 Possible Starter (1st Round RT)

That's a no brainer in my mind. Yes Jonah playing RT is better odds than a rookie playing RT, but that's still 3 guaranteed starters vs 1.

[Bengalbug]

(02-21-2022, 09:58 PM)bfine32 Wrote: No need for the snark...

There was also an elite LT in college that we left at LT..he made the Hall of Fame

May have heard of him. 

Didn’t mean snark, should have put ninja face.

My b

[SuperBowlBound!]

(02-21-2022, 08:29 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Why no on Tunsil… and keeping Jonah Williams at LT?

Tunsil has given up 7 sacks in 4 years, Jonah just gave up 8.

Jonah could be better suited for a different spot on the OL.

He is expensive and his PFF is 60.8.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(02-21-2022, 09:54 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Crazy thing is: The one we did throw a little cheddar at abruptly retired on us a couple years later

Hospitalization due to a blood clot will do that. I can't blame a guy for wanting to stay alive. Haven't heard anything but I bet Boling is nowhere near OL playing weight anymore and went David Pollack.

[SuperBowlBound!]

I want to stop the rush from coming up the middle on Burrow.

Let's invest in Corbett (RG) and Williams (LG) and Jensen at Center.
Reiff at RG and Jonah Williams at LT

We can afford that and they are pretty good at Pass Protection.
Even if Williams holds once in a while I would rather have that then get Burrow sacked.

I also think Burrow can deal with outside pressure more than inside pressure.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(02-21-2022, 04:55 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Lot's of interesting opinions here, I'll add to some already mentioned:

Many like Daniels, and the fact he could play both G & C, which is true.  In the film sessions I have sat in, Corbett seems to be the better player and choice over Daniels by some of our gurus. He is a little less money, 1 year older with same PPF Grade.

Bechton has become a hot topic and Im not sure where it began? He will not be given his position back at the Jets, he will have to earn it. Injuries and commitment are the issues. But the one speed bump is that he has a high dead cap number if the Jets move from him.  If he bounces back into excellent playing shape the Jets would most likely move from George Fant instead, the current starter. He is older (29) and provides the Jets $10M in cap space if released, versus costing them over $10m with Bechton still on his rookie deal.  


My guys would be:
C
Jensen
Allen
Bozeman

Guard
Tomlinson
Corbett
Cappa
Williams (because of lower money)
Daniels
Spain

Tackle
Armstead - probably not happening
Brown Jr - KC has committed to keep him
Moses/Trent Brown
Ifedi

Nice post Ceasar. I need to look at a lot more OL, forgive me after our season ended only a little over a week ago...

I went with James Daniels over Corbett but he should definitely be in our thoughts if what you say is true.

Jensen, Corbett and Trent Brown or something like it could be a major upgrade.

Bring back Spain of course to play LG.

[*Go Cards*]

(02-21-2022, 04:09 PM)jj22 Wrote: I think they should still consider trading pick 31 for Beckton (to play RT, since the JETS found their LT when he was out injured), or Nelson. I wouldn't necessarily give up 31 for Beckton but the 2nd round pick (and 5th). Tunsil's contract is huge, but he should be considered as well (or is he overrated?).

Either way those are options (that come with cap consequences that may be worth discussing).

Would love to have Becton as a Bengal. 

remember when he was ranked a 3rd or 4th round selection and I was saying that will never last the he hits the combine. 

he moves well for such a behemoth of a man 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(02-21-2022, 10:42 PM)Go Cards Wrote: Would love to have Becton as a Bengal. 

remember when he was ranked a 3rd or 4th round selection and I was saying that will never last the he hits the combine. 

he moves well for such a behemoth of a man 

Yes, would love to get Becton in here. Wanted us to draft him myself.

[*Go Cards*]

Still think a logical move is to let Bates walk,

Can only really keep him a year or two anyway and replace him with Jaquan Brisker "Penn State" in draft on rookie deal.

Would then re-sign Reiff and let Spain, Hopkins, and Hill walk. Waive Waynes and there should be room to maneuver.

Really don't care which way the Bengals go but wanting a Center, Guard, and Tackle who are proven.

Jones
or
Bozeman ..7 million

Daniels
or
Thomlinson ....10 million

Whoever the Bengals think the best Tackle is with Reiff for depth or moved to Guard.

Cant believe Im entertaining this but would even consider taking the 26 year old Cam Robinson for 11.3 mil on a short contract. He played good in his contract year but who knows he may revert back quickly, so not sold and would rather have more proven player.