Chase Not Even Ranked In Madden's Top Ten Receivers?!

[kevin]

(07-19-2022, 11:13 PM)Au165 Wrote: I know the two guys who actually do the ratings at EA, play in a franchise league with one actually.  Chad, while a great marketing piece, more sits in on meetings from time to time but is more there for the media stuff. The reason Chase is outside the top 10 almost never will put a 2nd year player up that high, especially at a sexy position like WR. They did the exact same thing last year with Justin Jefferson it’s really nothing new.

What’s about to be more upsetting is Joe Burrow’s throw power…

If it happened to Jefferson and then Chase that backs up my post.  They make these games way in advance to get them to the factories to be mass produced and shipped and distributed.  They are probably already working on next years Madden.  That would explain why 2nd year players get shafted.  This years Madden game was already being manufactured in the factories to be shipped back before Bengals finally won in The Play-Offs in January and then went to Super Bowl.  They were cranking out this years game before Chase and Bengals did anything.  It would also explain Jefferson last year.  So these Madden games are mostly going on player data from 2 years ago.  OK, they throw in a few rookies and give them low rookie points.  Some players they have on the right teams, and some they don't.   The player rankings for the most part are 2 years old.  Any rookies who do well in 2022 will get the shaft in 2023, because they will be using 2021 rankings mostly next year.  They have to design the game, get it to the factories to mass produce and deal with backed up shipping across the world and then distribute it to stores.  That takes time.  So of course the game is not going to be completely up to date. 

[*SHRacerX*]

(07-19-2022, 10:04 AM)BFritz21 Wrote:

LOVE IT!

This, along with the Super Bowl loss, especially being open on the final play, will just make Chase, Burrow, and the entire team hungrier than anyone could have ever imagined.

What I love about Burrow leading this team and the character of this team is that everyone will see how determined this made Chase to make them eat their words that they'll also elevate their game and work harder.

When I think about what I just mentioned, I'm loving the character of this team! There has NEVER been a better time to be a fan of this team!

This isn't hyperbole.  It's the damn truth.  The biggest question mark heading in to the season is Jesse Bates' agent posturing that he won't play under the tag.  Spoiler alert:  He will.

Second biggest question mark:  Can a 2nd round, year 2 player (Carman) make it at LG?  Well, if he doesn't come in great shape and play consistently well, he will be replaced.  Heck, the Bengals could still sign Reiff if they feel he would be a better option.  

No real top level coaching changes.  No offseason injury rehabs (except Ossai).  No rookies being asked to take over a starters job.

These are high times to be a Bengals fan, and I am loving every second of it.  

[Forever Spinning Vinyl]

(07-19-2022, 11:52 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: just stop

LOL

No problem, hero. Instead of learning why they made their decision, just stay mad about it not aligning with your evaluation.

[Au165]

(07-20-2022, 01:35 AM)kevin Wrote: If it happened to Jefferson and then Chase that backs up my post.  They make these games way in advance to get them to the factories to be mass produced and shipped and distributed.  They are probably already working on next years Madden.  That would explain why 2nd year players get shafted.  This years Madden game was already being manufactured in the factories to be shipped back before Bengals finally won in The Play-Offs in January and then went to Super Bowl.  They were cranking out this years game before Chase and Bengals did anything.  It would also explain Jefferson last year.  So these Madden games are mostly going on player data from 2 years ago.  OK, they throw in a few rookies and give them low rookie points.  Some players they have on the right teams, and some they don't.   The player rankings for the most part are 2 years old.  Any rookies who do well in 2022 will get the shaft in 2023, because they will be using 2021 rankings mostly next year.  They have to design the game, get it to the factories to mass produce and deal with backed up shipping across the world and then distribute it to stores.  That takes time.  So of course the game is not going to be completely up to date. 

Ratings get updated every week of regular season so he will end up much higher, they started that up a few years back which is nice. They usually start process of new feature set decisions for the next game in October with work starting in November. 

If people want the why behind it though, part of the reasoning was because of the way the production kind of came and went throughout the year. He got dinged a bit for consistency and the drops.

[MTBengalsFan]

Regardless of ratings getting updated weekly, what the hell is Amari Cooper on this list for? Would the Bengals let Chase walk? Of course not, but the Cowboys decided Cooper was no longer a talent they needed. What a joke of a list!!!

[Frank Booth]

(07-20-2022, 09:16 AM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: LOL

No problem, hero. Instead of learning why they made their decision, just stay mad about it not aligning with your evaluation.

Boyd Isn’t better than Higgins no matter how much you boot lick EA

explain why Cooper is rated higher than Jamarr...

You can’t, it’s just bad ratings

[Au165]

(07-20-2022, 11:22 AM)MTBengalsFan Wrote: Regardless of ratings getting updated weekly, what the hell is Amari Cooper on this list for? Would the Bengals let Chase walk? Of course not, but the Cowboys decided Cooper was no longer a talent they needed. What a joke of a list!!!

One of the ratings guy is a Cowboys mega fan so...

[Housh]

Ratings get weekly updates. Usually there is a day 1 update too that may have ratings tweaks.


Chase will probably challenge for best WR this year so expect it to go higher quickly

[tms]

My explanation for this is just that he doesn’t fit the prototype. His route tree is relatively limited. No, he’s not strictly an X anymore, but he’s also not the kind of Rice, Irvin, Megatron, even Chad- even Higgins!- who you ride down the field. That’s not his game (yet). He can take you down there in one play. Like a glorified specialist. A yards per target phenom, #2 in the league last year (Deebo).

The good thing is that once the ball is snapped on Sunday, that doesn’t matter. Few if any wideouts influence defensive approaches like Ja’Marr Chase. Gameplans are designed to jam him at the line and limit his space, often to no avail. He’s definitely Top 10, Top 5, Top…1? in that regard.

[SunsetBengal]

I see that they also omitted the self-proclaimed 3rd best receiver in the league from that list, as well.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(07-18-2022, 05:19 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

Don’t sweat it man. Madden didn’t even put me in the game my second year ? @Real10jayy__ https://t.co/je5GbMfFrQ

— Tom Brady (@TomBrady) July 18, 2022

Funny stuff, Tom Brady wasn't even in the game his second year lol

Was cool of Tom to say that to Ja'Marr still...

USE IT!!!

[Gdale_Bengal]

I can understand most of these players being in the top 10, but Cooper and that Mclaurin guy are not top 10 receivers.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(07-22-2022, 03:02 PM)Gdale_Bengal Wrote: I can understand most of these players being in the top 10, but Cooper and that Mclaurin guy are not top 10 receivers.

Mclaurin is pretty damn good man.

But Amari ahead of Ja'Marr is laughable.

Even if Chase is only a 2nd year Receiver he still is top 5.

I would only put Kupp and Devonte Adams ahead of him right now.

[CJD]

For what it's worth, regarding Chase, I checked Madden's official website to see what the overall rankings for the players drafted in the first 2 rounds of the 2021 NFL draft and Ja'Marr Chase has the 2nd highest overall rating of any player in the 2021 draft's first two rounds (which I assume would be the highest rated players from the draft, as there are no pro bowlers in the rounds 3 through 7).

The only player from the 2021 NFL draft that is rated higher than Chase, who was rated at 87, is Micah Parsons who is rated at 88. Which, you know....that's fair. the OROTY and the DROTY are the top ranked players from the draft class. Kyle Pitts tied Chase at 87. Even Creed Humphrey, the player that many are already calling the best center in the NFL, was only 86 overall.
The players in order of their overall rating are as follows:

Micah Parsons † 88
Kyle Pitts † 87
Ja'Marr Chase † 87
Creed Humphrey 86
Najee Harris † 85
Jaylen Waddle 84
Rashawn Slater † 84
Patrick Surtain II  83
DeVonta Smith  83
Jevon Holland  83
Javonte Williams  82
Greg Newsome II 81
Penei Sewell 80
Kadarius Toney  79
Elijah Moore  79
Trevon Moehrig  79
Rondale Moore  79
Pat Freiermuth  79
Nick Bolton  79
Mac Jones † 78
Eric Stokes  78
Odafe Oweh  78
Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah  78
Kwity Paye  77
Travis Etienne  77
Rashod Bateman  77
Christian Barmore  77
Trevor Lawrence  76
Jaelan Phillips  76
Gregory Rousseau  76
Pete Werner  76
Jaycee Horn  75
Caleb Farley  75
Landon Dickerson 75
Asante Samuel Jr.  75
Azeez Ojulari  75
Justin Fields  74
Alijah Vera-Tucker  74
Christian Darrisaw  74
Tyson Campbell  74
Zach Wilson  73
Zaven Collins  73
Sam Cosmi  73
Trey Lance  72
Jamin Davis  72
Joe Tryon-Shoyinka  72
Teven Jenkins  72
Richie Grant  72
Kelvin Joseph  72
D'Wayne Eskridge  72
Alex Leatherwood  71
Tutu Atwell  71
Terrace Marshall Jr.  71
Josh Myers  71
Payton Turner  70
Carlos Basham Jr.  70
Levi Onwuzurike 69
Jackson Carman 69
Liam Eichenberg 68
Walker Little 68
Aaron Banks 67
Dayo Odeyingbo 67
Dillon Radunz 66
Kyle Trask 63


Basically, I don't think that Madden was specifically taking a shot at Chase or anything like that. Pitts, Parsons, Humphrey and Slater are all considered among the top 5 at their position by most fans and not a single one rated above 88 overall.

I bet they just have a categorical stance that they will not rate a player as a 90 OVR after just 1 season in the NFL. If Chase has another season like he did last year, they'll most likely give him his due rating.

I actually did check one other 2021 draftee, Evan McPherson.
He got an 83 :)

[CJD]

(07-19-2022, 11:13 PM)Au165 Wrote: I know the two guys who actually do the ratings at EA, play in a franchise league with one actually.  Chad, while a great marketing piece, more sits in on meetings from time to time but is more there for the media stuff. The reason Chase is outside the top 10 almost never will put a 2nd year player up that high, especially at a sexy position like WR. They did the exact same thing last year with Justin Jefferson it’s really nothing new.

What’s about to be more upsetting is Joe Burrow’s throw power…

I'm actually not too bothered by Burrow's throw power. It's 87. Not great, but at least they didn't tank it like we were worried they would.

They gave him 97 short and 97 medium accuracy too, which is 2nd and 1st in the game, respectively. They even gave him the 4th best throw under pressure at 92. 3rd highest awareness at 92. 10th best stamina at 92. 5th best toughness at 97. 9th best break sack rating of 88. 9th best throw on the run rating at 89. 

25th in play action at 83 but, you know what, that's fair. He was not all that effective out of play action if I recall correctly.

The only one that I'm disappointed in is his deep accuracy of 86, which was good for 12th. I think he deserved to be closer to the top 5 in this area. Granted, he had Chase, but he had the most deep touchdown passes in the NFL last season and his touch was incredible on a lot of deep passes over the course of the season. I guess they just decided good but not great throw power and good but not great deep accuracy just made sense together.


Overall, I think they did right by Burrow. Even gave him 83 speed, which is downright respectable. They recognize he isn't a statue in the pocket and I figure that number will increase once they see him with a full season away from his injury.

[CJD]

(07-22-2022, 01:01 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I see that they also omitted the self-proclaimed 3rd best receiver in the league from that list, as well.

The acclaimed Chase Claypool comes in with an astonishing 78 overall :)

[Shake n Blake]

1. Bengals bias.

2. It seems EA intentionally stirs controversy every year by grading someone much lower than they rightfully should be. Then the player naturally brings it up and 100 sports outlets cover it. Free publicity every year.

[Cosmokramer]

Why do people even care about Madden ratings? They literally mean nothing! I don’t understand why this is even a thing?

[*rfaulk34*]

(07-22-2022, 07:53 PM)Cosmokramer Wrote: Why do people even care about Madden ratings?  They literally mean nothing!  I don’t understand why this is even a thing?

Because Bengals players are being DISRESPECTED, dammit!!  

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(07-23-2022, 07:34 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Because Bengals players are being DISRESPECTED, dammit!!  

Yep and it has been real slow this month football related, slowest month of the year for football news. 

Need football to talk about.