Cincinnati Bengals receive an F- in food for its players

[HarleyDog]

(07-05-2024, 05:58 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: I’m a technical consultant and yeah, if I work out if state, I have to pay taxes to that state. I don’t travel much but some of the guys do. And yes, it’s a pain in the ass for them.

Wow. I guess I owe Mississippi some taxes. But maybe not since I was living in a hotel.

[*bfine32*]

(07-05-2024, 05:27 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Are you sure about this? Usually, you pay the taxes in the state that you live in. Or else everyone who travels for work would have to file taxes out the wazoo. When I lived in a hotel in Mississippi for 9 months out of the year, my home work location was Ohio. I didn't have to pay taxes to Mississippi. Well, except for your standard taxes on purchases.

(07-05-2024, 05:58 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: I’m a technical consultant and yeah, if I work out if state, I have to pay taxes to that state. I don’t travel much but some of the guys do. And yes, it’s a pain in the ass for them.

I'm no tax expert but I think it depends on the location of your employer.

In Harley's case He most likely was paid by a home company and in Killer's case he most likely was paid by a sub-contractor in the state to which he travelled 

Bengals player are paid by an employer whose legal address is in OH. I doubt they have to pay taxes to every state they have away games

[HarleyDog]

(07-05-2024, 05:58 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: I’m a technical consultant and yeah, if I work out if state, I have to pay taxes to that state. I don’t travel much but some of the guys do. And yes, it’s a pain in the ass for them.

The difference may be that you probably have to file a 1099 and I don't. 

[KillerGoose]

(07-05-2024, 06:30 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'm no tax expert but I think it depends on the location of your employer.

In Harley's case He most likely was paid by a home company and in Killer's case he most likely was paid by a sub-contractor in the state to which he travelled 

Bengals player are paid by an employer whose legal address is in OH. I doubt they have to pay taxes to every state they have away games

I’m a W-2 employee for the company I work for. We’re a smaller company and most employees are here in Oklahoma, but I think the company is actually based in Houston. But I get paid by my “home” company. I’ve read somewhere that NFL players do have to pay taxes to each state they play in but I haven’t looked into it much more than that.

[KillerGoose]

(07-05-2024, 06:39 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: The difference may be that you probably have to file a 1099 and I don't. 

Nah, I’m a W-2 consultant.

[George Cantstandya]

https://news.bloombergtax.com/tax-insights-and-commentary/nfl-draft-picks-pay-hinges-on-wildly-different-state-tax-rates

Quote:For away games, all professional athletes are subject to the jock tax, which income-taxing states assess on all income earned by a professional athlete for pre-season, regular season, playoff, championship, and even Pro Bowl games. This means if a rookie is drafted to the Dallas Cowboys, he’ll be subject to an income tax on the salary he earns any time he faces off against the Cowboys’ longtime rivals—the Philadelphia Eagles. Like many other states and cities, both Pennsylvania and Philadelphia assess a jock tax on nonresident athletes.

https://news.bloombergtax.com/tax-insights-and-commentary/taxation-is-the-name-of-the-game-for-professional-athletes

Quote:In general, people who earn a living by providing services are subject to tax in the state where they provide those services as well as in their resident state. Professional athletes, as well as the coaches, trainers, and other personnel traveling with the team, must allocate their salary to the various states where the team plays or practices.

[HarleyDog]

(07-05-2024, 07:11 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: https://news.bloombergtax.com/tax-insights-and-commentary/nfl-draft-picks-pay-hinges-on-wildly-different-state-tax-rates

It's funny the way that reads. It's as if, you come here to play, I want you to be depressed because you've already lost before the kickoff.

[*Synric*]

(07-05-2024, 04:21 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Just throwing this out there when you say $705k....

Until the player make the final cuts and finishes Week 1 to get their first ~$39,000 paycheck (of which they see significantly less after taxes as a larger earner), they're still poor unless they got a significant signing bonus, and even then they're in constant threat of never making any more money from the NFL again.

A quick google says an average nutritionist in Ohio makes $57,500 per year. If you are a top tier professional athlete, you really don't want an "average" person.

Unless you're a very high draft pick, you really don't have the job security and funds saved up to hire someone that's going to cost you well over $60k/yr (possibly much much more as I am not sure if you'd have to pay towards healthcare and the like depending on the state, as they would be your employee) until your second contract. Hiring people is expensive.

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After all the taxes, the players take home a whole lot less. In Cincinnati, if you make $705k, you're taking home $424k after Federal, FICA, State, and Local taxes. Of course you actually end up having to file taxes for every state you play in. So while you'd have a marginal 3.75% State taxes in Ohio for the 8 games you played there, if you play @Chargers and @Rams that year, that's 2 games with California's 13.3% cutting into those week's paychecks.

So you can see how a guy who has no year-to-year employment guarantee, or even week-to-week employment guarantee, can't afford to be putting 14-23.5% of their entire year's take-home salary on hiring someone.

One athlete won't be paying the Dietician's entire salary. Most Dieticians/Nutritionists are apart of these athletes off-season training programs in California, Florida, or wherever they work out.

I'm about 95% sure Black Sheep Performance has a Dietician on staff. My Gym has a dietician and a nutrition program any can join but its mostly used by competitive runners.

[Soonerpeace]

https://search.app/TEq2EzwFWJRuTNZV8

[KillerGoose]

(07-06-2024, 10:30 AM)Soonerpeace Wrote: https://search.app/TEq2EzwFWJRuTNZV8

Roughly half of the showers don’t work, and some of the toilets don’t function? Yikes.

[StoneTheCrow]

Same as my freshman year English class for plagiarizing The Doors in a deadline pinch.

[Joelist]

The report is outdated. Remember the Bengals are doing a rip and replace on the locker rooms and showers right now.

https://www.bengals.com/news/upgrades-paycor-stadium-locker-room-field-2024-season

[*bfine32*]

(07-07-2024, 02:03 AM)Joelist Wrote: The report is outdated. Remember the Bengals are doing a rip and replace on the locker rooms and showers right now.

https://www.bengals.com/news/upgrades-paycor-stadium-locker-room-field-2024-season

Well it is the off season and even media folks have to bring up old stuff. It's not like the old days with Pacman, Slim, and the gang when there was always some "news" 

[SouthernFan]

[Sled21]

(07-05-2024, 04:21 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Just throwing this out there when you say $705k....

Until the player make the final cuts and finishes Week 1 to get their first ~$39,000 paycheck (of which they see significantly less after taxes as a larger earner), they're still poor unless they got a significant signing bonus, and even then they're in constant threat of never making any more money from the NFL again.

A quick google says an average nutritionist in Ohio makes $57,500 per year. If you are a top tier professional athlete, you really don't want an "average" person.

Unless you're a very high draft pick, you really don't have the job security and funds saved up to hire someone that's going to cost you well over $60k/yr (possibly much much more as I am not sure if you'd have to pay towards healthcare and the like depending on the state, as they would be your employee) until your second contract. Hiring people is expensive.

- - - - - - - -

After all the taxes, the players take home a whole lot less. In Cincinnati, if you make $705k, you're taking home $424k after Federal, FICA, State, and Local taxes. Of course you actually end up having to file taxes for every state you play in. So while you'd have a marginal 3.75% State taxes in Ohio for the 8 games you played there, if you play @Chargers and @Rams that year, that's 2 games with California's 13.3% cutting into those week's paychecks.

So you can see how a guy who has no year-to-year employment guarantee, or even week-to-week employment guarantee, can't afford to be putting 14-23.5% of their entire year's take-home salary on hiring someone.

Couple of things here. As you said, an average nutritionist makes ballpark 58K (I'll take your word for it, I did not look it up) They are not making this from one person though, so the 14-23% of salary number is way off. Joe Burrow's chef may very well work only for him, but most nutritionists, even the best, have multiple clients who pay them pennies comparably. The cost of a nutritionist visit in Ohio is top-end 112 dollars per visit. So, to have a nutritionist you see once a week for a year is a little over $5800.00. Again, if you're making 750K, cry me a river.

And, while the players are paying taxes in other localities for away games, they are not paying Cincinnati or Ohio taxes on that money, so while it's more, it's not drastically more.

This is not to say I'm against the Bengals hiring full-time nutritionists, I see no reason why they shouldn't. But for players to come out and act like they cannot afford it is ludicrous and shows how tone deaf they are. 

[SunsetBengal]

(07-04-2024, 10:19 PM)SouthernFan Wrote: This is just a rehashing of the same story that ran when the crybaby NFLPA player survey first came out. We don’t know what if anything may have changed since then. Yes, it would be in the team’s best interests to make nutritious food and nutrition advice available to players, but the idea that “while some players can invest in their bodies year-round using personal chefs and nutritionists, not all players can afford it and rely on teams to provide those services, especially during the season” is pure BS. The league minimums range from $795,000 (rookie) to $1.255 million (7+ yr vet). Even practice squad players make from $12,000 to $20,600 per week during the season. These are grown men and the team is not their Mom or Dad.

Sorry, end rant. 

Are you suggesting that as professional athletes, that the players should be responsible to their own body's healthy intake? 

But seriously, the healthy meal prep industry is huge these days and wildly popular among athletes.

[SunsetBengal]

(07-05-2024, 04:21 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: A quick google says an average nutritionist in Ohio makes $57,500 per year. If you are a top tier professional athlete, you really don't want an "average" person.

Unless you're a very high draft pick, you really don't have the job security and funds saved up to hire someone that's going to cost you well over $60k/yr (possibly much much more as I am not sure if you'd have to pay towards healthcare and the like depending on the state, as they would be your employee) until your second contract. Hiring people is expensive.

So you can see how a guy who has no year-to-year employment guarantee, or even week-to-week employment guarantee, can't afford to be putting 14-23.5% of their entire year's take-home salary on hiring someone.

I'm pretty sure that a dietician generally doesn't make their entire salary off of just one client. I'm willing to be that it's more like a consultation to determine nutritional needs, then selecting their menu for each week and then receiving all of the their pre-prepared heat and eat meals for the week. For a very manageable budget amount of around $150-$200/wk.

[Au165]

A lot of the players come from big time college programs that can now wow kids with meals after some NCAA changes in the last decade. I think for many of them it is a step back or lateral even at best but that's because those things in college have been part of the "pay". As pointed out by BFine, and on quick look over of the rankings related to wins, I think you'd be hard pressed to correlate any sort of wins to this data point. Like most things it's a data point, but it doesn't seem to be a major factor in terms of winning.

These are the kind of things I don't fret over as it makes news but as we have seen, and others towards the bottom have seen, it's not stopping you from getting good players or winning games.

[BengalYankee]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/bengals-player-comments-on-f-minus-food-situation-around-team/ar-BB1puhVP?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=c39b3168be984d32b833d9ded6335c5d&ei=42#comments

[Joelist]

Note that the article has an anonymous source. That instantly calls its credibility into question.