New locker room too

[*pally*]

NFLPA approves

D+ just got an upgrade ? https://t.co/NwzimKIumT

— NFLPA (@NFLPA) July 30, 2024

[Essex Johnson]

(07-31-2024, 11:10 AM)PCB Bengal Fan Wrote: Why the hell in today's game are people in group showers like a prison? Great locker room & terrible showers. Some privacy jeez.

A prison? Group showers are the norm especially in football where you have over 50 players., not unusual at all.

[Sled21]

(08-01-2024, 12:14 PM)Tiger Teeth Wrote: What about Gatorade?

Burrow is sponsored by Body Armor, so expect to see more of that. And, the sugar free Fruit Punch is pretty darned good.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(08-01-2024, 05:37 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Burrow is sponsored by Body Armor, so expect to see more of that. And, the sugar free Fruit Punch is pretty darned good.

I actually like Body Armor. Not bad at all, but it isn't a brewskie or anything.

[Tiger Teeth]

(08-01-2024, 05:37 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Burrow is sponsored by Body Armor, so expect to see more of that. And, the sugar free Fruit Punch is pretty darned good.

(08-01-2024, 05:40 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I actually like Body Armor. Not bad at all, but it isn't a brewskie or anything.

I like it too, but the coconut water in it is a laxative if I drink too many.  Lol

[007BengalsFan]

(07-31-2024, 01:30 PM)ochocincos Wrote: There seem to be A LOT of negative opinions from outsiders about the Bengals doing this.
The gist has been essentially, "So this cheap organization finally catches up to what most of the professional and even collegiate teams have? How about actually spending money on big players other than Joe Burrow"

We have been spending big money on players other than Burrow.  Last year we spent the #1 cap amount on defensive line and #7 on offensive line.  Any outsider claiming the Bengals havent spent money on players is ignorant. 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/position/defensive-line/_/year/2023/table/full/sort/cap_total

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/position/offensive-line/_/year/2023/table/full/sort/cap_total

[*ochocincos*]

(08-01-2024, 07:46 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: We have been spending big money on players other than Burrow.  Last year we spent the #1 cap amount on defensive line and #7 on offensive line.  Any outsider claiming the Bengals havent spent money on players is ignorant. 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/position/defensive-line/_/year/2023/table/full/sort/cap_total

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/position/offensive-line/_/year/2023/table/full/sort/cap_total

They aren't seeing the Bengals land that outside elite dominant FA for top-tier $$ though, which might be why.
Yes, the Bengals spent a ton on certain positions as a whole, but Bengals aren't paying a Top-5 AAV for any player at a position other than Burrow.
OBJ is the 24th highest paid OT based on AAV.
Cappa 21st highest paid OG.
Karras 11th highest OC.
Hendrickson 8th highest DE.
Rankins 19th highest DT.
Wilson 27th highest LB.
Geno Stone 18th highest SAF.

One could easily argue it's the Bengals being smart with their $$, but someone else may argue rather than get two dudes in the 20s, why not get THAT DUDE who is a Top Tier dude and paid like it.

Honestly, for what the Bengals were paying that DL last year, they underperformed.
Same with the OL.
But outside of Hendrickson and Burrow, they aren't paying for even Top 10.

[Essex Johnson]

(08-01-2024, 09:59 PM)ochocincos Wrote: They aren't seeing the Bengals land that outside elite dominant FA for top-tier $$ though, which might be why.
Yes, the Bengals spent a ton on certain positions as a whole, but Bengals aren't paying a Top-5 AAV for any player at a position other than Burrow.
OBJ is the 24th highest paid OT based on AAV.
Cappa 21st highest paid OG.
Karras 11th highest OC.
Hendrickson 8th highest DE.
Rankins 19th highest DT.
Wilson 27th highest LB.
Geno Stone 18th highest SAF.

One could easily argue it's the Bengals being smart with their $$, but someone else may argue rather than get two dudes in the 20s, why not get THAT DUDE who is a Top Tier dude and paid like it.

Honestly, for what the Bengals were paying that DL last year, they underperformed.
Same with the OL.
But outside of Hendrickson and Burrow, they aren't paying for even Top 10.

Well looks Iike from sports sites  Bengals are in top tier roster rankings 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-roster-rankings-all-32-teams-2024-strengths-weaknesses-x-factors

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-s-top-10-most-complete-teams-for-2024-season

Also PFF did one excluding team QB and we ranked 9th,  

[*ochocincos*]

(08-02-2024, 02:17 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Well looks Iike from sports sites  Bengals are in top tier roster rankings 

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-roster-rankings-all-32-teams-2024-strengths-weaknesses-x-factors

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-s-top-10-most-complete-teams-for-2024-season

Also PFF did one excluding team QB and we ranked 9th,  

1) Some of the people saying the Bengals are cheap aren't going to look for sites that talk about their roster strength. They're only going to recognize stars. Bengals have a really good team, but how many of the players outside of Burrow, Chase, and Higgins would the outsider NFL fan be able to name? Bengals roster has some underrated guys that just aren't big names.

2) Even if they have a good team on the field, it doesn't change the fact some see the ownership as cheap. Even if they did pay top dollar for some premier talent, some things like stadium quality are considered toward the bottom for NFL. For example, New York Times listed Paycor Stadium 27th out of 30 stadiums in the NFL.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/4783340/2023/08/21/nfl-stadium-rankings-all-30-nfl-venues-from-best-to-worst/

Quote:The 23-year-old stadium cracked the bottom five on 13 ballots, finishing in the same spot as 2020.

Quality of the team and a franchise's frugality are not the same thing.

[Essex Johnson]

(08-02-2024, 02:56 PM)ochocincos Wrote: 1) Some of the people saying the Bengals are cheap aren't going to look for sites that talk about their roster strength. They're only going to recognize stars. Bengals have a really good team, but how many of the players outside of Burrow, Chase, and Higgins would the outsider NFL fan be able to name? Bengals roster has some underrated guys that just aren't big names.

2) Even if they have a good team on the field, it doesn't change the fact some see the ownership as cheap. Even if they did pay top dollar for some premier talent, some things like stadium quality are considered toward the bottom for NFL. For example, New York Times listed Paycor Stadium 27th out of 30 stadiums in the NFL.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/4783340/2023/08/21/nfl-stadium-rankings-all-30-nfl-venues-from-best-to-worst/




Quality of the team and a franchise's frugality are not the same thing.

It seems you drifting from your assumption that is takes top ten players in good amount of positions to be SB roster and I would argue depth is very important to success as a team and too much money invested in 5 to 7 positions could hinder a team success. Also what teams actually have top ten rated players at more than 5 or more positions. 

I think it is apples to oranges to compare owners and teams, just a handful of nfl teams wealth is tied to the team. Of course Browns, Halas, Wilsony, Bidwells  might be less apt to open their pocketbook compared to rich owners who don't have to worry about team revenue as their main source of income.

As for age of stadiums,  Bengals are 13th oldest stadium  and at least 4 to 5 stadiums older than them have had major renovations.

[Soonerpeace]

(08-01-2024, 01:49 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I haven't heard much about Kris Jenkins, but I have heard McKinnley Jackson has been really hard to move and I know he will
only be a rookie but his comparison is DJ Reader. BTW DJ is still hurt and we don't even know if he will play this season for the
Lions. I wanted McKinnley Jackson before we drafted him, very stout against the run and has the body type for NT.

Kris Jenkins is a great run stopper, but he is still kind of a hybrid or Freak as Harbaugh called him at Michigan.

(08-02-2024, 02:56 PM)ochocincos Wrote: 1) Some of the people saying the Bengals are cheap aren't going to look for sites that talk about their roster strength. They're only going to recognize stars. Bengals have a really good team, but how many of the players outside of Burrow, Chase, and Higgins would the outsider NFL fan be able to name? Bengals roster has some underrated guys that just aren't big names.

2) Even if they have a good team on the field, it doesn't change the fact some see the ownership as cheap. Even if they did pay top dollar for some premier talent, some things like stadium quality are considered toward the bottom for NFL. For example, New York Times listed Paycor Stadium 27th out of 30 stadiums in the NFL.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/4783340/2023/08/21/nfl-stadium-rankings-all-30-nfl-venues-from-best-to-worst/




Quality of the team and a franchise's frugality are not the same thing.

(08-03-2024, 10:11 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: It seems you drifting from your assumption that is takes top ten players in good amount of positions to be SB roster and I would argue depth is very important to success as a team and too much money invested in 5 to 7 positions could hinder a team success. Also what teams actually have top ten rated players at more than 5 or more positions. 

I think it is apples to oranges to compare owners and teams, just a handful of nfl teams wealth is tied to the team. Of course Browns, Halas, Wilsony, Bidwells  might be less apt to open their pocketbook compared to rich owners who don't have to worry about team revenue as their main source of income.

As for age of stadiums,  Bengals are 13th oldest stadium  and at least 4 to 5 stadiums older than them have had major renovations.

SF has a great roster as does Baltimore. Philly does too. The problem I see with the Bengals is Dax Hill and Myles Murphy & Cordell Volson. Your first rounders can’t be still backups in their second year. You need solid starters rookie deals.Volson though not a first rounder needs be better than average. He doesn’t look like someone who will get extended. I’m not saying their drafting has been bad but few home runs. Who has been a huge surprise? Logan Wilson? Sure they’ve hit on sure fires like Joe and Chase. They hit on Tee but he too was essentially a first rounder. I believe they have a top 7 roster. What they lack is a better OL and an another all-pro or two on defense. But their strength is one of the best rosters in players 10-22.

Last years team was not very good on defense.The offense got a slow start. If Joe had stayed healthy they might have won a playoff game. SF won’t win a SB nor Philly. I’ve seen a lot of both their QB’s in person in college. Hey are solid managers but not difference makers. But kudos to them for limiting mistakes.

[*ochocincos*]

(08-03-2024, 10:11 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: It seems you drifting from your assumption that is takes top ten players in good amount of positions to be SB roster and I would argue depth is very important to success as a team and too much money invested in 5 to 7 positions could hinder a team success. Also what teams actually have top ten rated players at more than 5 or more positions. 

I think it is apples to oranges to compare owners and teams, just a handful of nfl teams wealth is tied to the team. Of course Browns, Halas, Wilsony, Bidwells  might be less apt to open their pocketbook compared to rich owners who don't have to worry about team revenue as their main source of income.

As for age of stadiums,  Bengals are 13th oldest stadium  and at least 4 to 5 stadiums older than them have had major renovations.

Why are you talking about team success when I've been talking about people thinking the team ownership is cheap?
Team success and cheapness are two separate things.

[sandwedge]

(08-02-2024, 02:56 PM)ochocincos Wrote: 1) Some of the people saying the Bengals are cheap aren't going to look for sites that talk about their roster strength. They're only going to recognize stars. Bengals have a really good team, but how many of the players outside of Burrow, Chase, and Higgins would the outsider NFL fan be able to name? Bengals roster has some underrated guys that just aren't big names.

2) Even if they have a good team on the field, it doesn't change the fact some see the ownership as cheap. Even if they did pay top dollar for some premier talent, some things like stadium quality are considered toward the bottom for NFL. For example, New York Times listed Paycor Stadium 27th out of 30 stadiums in the NFL.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/4783340/2023/08/21/nfl-stadium-rankings-all-30-nfl-venues-from-best-to-worst/




Quality of the team and a franchise's frugality are not the same thing.

I am probably one of the odd ones here, but I have always had a great time flying across the country to watch a game. The people have always made it a very enjoyable experience. As for things to do in the stadium, ehh I couldn't care less. I am there to watch and yell, whatever, the game. I don't need the blinky neon lights or the fastest Wifi available. They have upgraded the concessions spots. So when people complain about the stadium, I am not sure what they are talking about? 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(08-03-2024, 02:08 PM)sandwedge Wrote: I am probably one of the odd ones here, but I have always had a great time flying across the country to watch a game. The people have always made it a very enjoyable experience. As for things to do in the stadium, ehh I couldn't care less. I am there to watch and yell, whatever, the game. I don't need the blinky neon lights or the fastest Wifi available. They have upgraded the concessions spots. So when people complain about the stadium, I am not sure what they are talking about? 

I getcha Wedge.

[Essex Johnson]

(08-03-2024, 01:49 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Why are you talking about team success when I've been talking about people thinking the team ownership is cheap?
Team success and cheapness are two separate things.

You are one that started talking about rosters and the idea of adding top ten players, my counter was the Bengals have built a solid roster with balance, then you went down this road  we have just a 23 yr stadium and some see bengals as cheap .. you seem off the rails and how did we go from bengals spending $$ on locker room to bengals are cheap..lol  moving on

[Joelist]

Well the team has now done total rip and replacement on the training room and the locker room. The fan facing areas are already slated for refurbishment as we heard earlier this year and the indoor practice facility will soon start building now that they have the land secured. I wonder where the next target for the rip and replace is?

[*ochocincos*]

(08-03-2024, 06:50 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: You are one that started talking about rosters and the idea of adding top ten players, my counter was the Bengals have built a solid roster with balance, then you went down this road  we have just a 23 yr stadium and some see bengals as cheap .. you seem off the rails and how did we go from bengals spending $$ on locker room to bengals are cheap..lol  moving on

Yes, but I brought that up because not many NFL fans outside of Bengals fans will recognize most of the "good" players on the Bengals. They only recognize the dudes who are Top 5-10 at their position and/or land the mega contracts.
Bengals have a good overall roster, but they don't have many high profile, high-paid stars.

I thought that was obvious in my previous post(s)?

All I was merely trying to say was quite a lot of people online were posting the Bengals ownership was cheap and was trying to provide potential reasons why they might think that.
I don't agree with that sentiment, just trying to put myself into their thought process.

[*ochocincos*]

(08-03-2024, 02:08 PM)sandwedge Wrote: I am probably one of the odd ones here, but I have always had a great time flying across the country to watch a game. The people have always made it a very enjoyable experience. As for things to do in the stadium, ehh I couldn't care less. I am there to watch and yell, whatever, the game. I don't need the blinky neon lights or the fastest Wifi available. They have upgraded the concessions spots. So when people complain about the stadium, I am not sure what they are talking about? 

I wish I could say for sure everything, but what comes in my own mind are:
- Ease of access around the stadium
- Acoustics of the stadium
- View from the stadium (if outdoors)
- Audio/video quality
- Quality, access, availability, and cleanliness of the restrooms
- Same as above but for concessions, gift shop(s)
- Indoor or outdoor
- Seat quality and comfort
- View from all the seats
- Proximity to other things around the city
- Parking
- Quality of wifi for those who are checking things like fantasy football
- Other amenity options that are included. If additional, how much more?

And another that isn't exactly part of the stadium but arguably a big part of the experience - quality/capacity of the tailgating surrounding the stadium before/during the game.