Gesicki Touchdown - NFL Apology

[reuben.ahmed]

(09-10-2024, 12:17 PM)Wyche Wrote: Lap mentioned on his YouTube show as well.

Was it during the episode with Solomon? Basically nobody is believing this because there is no published information anywhere lol.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(09-10-2024, 12:32 PM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: Was it during the episode with Solomon? Basically nobody is believing this because there is no published information anywhere lol.

I'm honestly not sure, I saw a clip of it on a Bengals Facebook page. Then he immediately went on to trash Hudson for his fumble, LoL. He trashed him on the radio broadcast too. That was a rookie move right there.

[PCB Bengal Fan]

(09-10-2024, 12:26 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: I don't know what they are specifically apologizing for, but that was in no way a touchdown. The receiver has to survive the catch and a specific body part such as a knee, elbow or otherwise touching does not negate this fact. Here is the link to the NFL rulebook. Here is the excerpt that very explicitly and clearly outlines this...





Here is the loss of control...



And here is the ball touching the ground....



This a very clear incomplete pass. 

Tried to tell people. It's on the ground.

[reuben.ahmed]

(09-10-2024, 12:35 PM)Wyche Wrote: I'm honestly not sure, I saw a clip of it on a Bengals Facebook page. Then he immediately went on to trash Hudson for his fumble, LoL. He trashed him on the radio broadcast too. That was a rookie move right there.

Here he is talking about Gesecki's TD, but I don't hear him talking about the NFL calling about it.

This video is from 3 hours ago, so I'm curious why he hasn't mentioned it lol:
https://youtu.be/q7hamo24uQA?t=365

[Whatever]

My guess is one of the NFLN guys got an erroneous report about it. That wasn't a TD.

[reuben.ahmed]

I would fire them if it was erroneous lol. Maybe they interpreted Lapham saying something about it.

[SunsetBengal]

(09-10-2024, 12:26 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: I don't know what they are specifically apologizing for, but that was in no way a touchdown. The receiver has to survive the catch and a specific body part such as a knee, elbow or otherwise touching does not negate this fact. Here is the link to the NFL rulebook. Here is the excerpt that very explicitly and clearly outlines this...





Here is the loss of control...



And here is the ball touching the ground....



This a very clear incomplete pass. 

No one is arguing that the ball didn't move. I'm asserting that the play should have ruled over before the defender lands on Gesicki and jars the ball loose. Perhaps that is what the unnamed league representative though that the review team should have called it?

[Au165]

(09-10-2024, 12:51 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: No one is arguing that the ball didn't move. I'm asserting that the play should have ruled over before the defender lands on Gesicki and jars the ball loose. Perhaps that is what the unnamed league representative though that the review team should have called it?

The ball is moving when a part of his body touches out of bounds. The process of the catch continues until the ball remains controlled. 

It was not a TD.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(09-10-2024, 12:39 PM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: Here he is talking about Gesecki's TD, but I don't hear him talking about the NFL calling about it.

This video is from 3 hours ago, so I'm curious why he hasn't mentioned it lol:
https://youtu.be/q7hamo24uQA?t=365

Found it....2:57 Mark here:

https://youtu.be/hxUP5I0Mb-c?si=srI9ybYiBv2KmTOb

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(09-10-2024, 12:51 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: No one is arguing that the ball didn't move. I'm asserting that the play should have ruled over before the defender lands on Gesicki and jars the ball loose. Perhaps that is what the unnamed league representative though that the review team should have called it?

Kinda what Soly and Lap were discussing too. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(09-10-2024, 09:57 AM)Boomer Anderson Wrote: I was listening to NFL Network on my way to work this morning and they indicated that the NFL called the Bengals and apologized for the missed call on the replay review of the Mike Gesicki touchdown that was overturned.  They said it didn't affect the outcome of the game, but I disagree.  But for the blown call, the Hudson fumble would not have happened, and the scoreboard would have flipped.  Anyway, thanks for the apology NFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Regardless, we played like dog crap and as usual can't stop the run.  If we can't stop the Pats run game, how are we going to do with the AFC North?

(09-10-2024, 10:06 AM)Boomer Anderson Wrote: Yes.  They apologized.  Should have remained a touchdown.  He had control of the ball tucked into his stomach after his elbow had hit the ground.  Said the field referee was right and replay booth missed it.

Also, not enough irrefutable evidence to overturn call on the field.  

I think the Bengals should be raising all kinds of hell about taking a touchdown off the board in an ugly game.

Wild, as bad as we were and still should of won the game lol

Edit: Nevermind, wasn't a catch as KillerGoose shows.

[Daddy-O]

(09-10-2024, 11:06 AM)PCB Bengal Fan Wrote: I say horsesh!t. That ball clearly was out & hit the ground people. Watch game pass replay.

It didn't hit the ground.  It moved yes but it didn't hit the ground.

[reuben.ahmed]

(09-10-2024, 01:02 PM)Wyche Wrote: Found it....2:57 Mark here:

https://youtu.be/hxUP5I0Mb-c?si=srI9ybYiBv2KmTOb

Very interesting.

[HarleyDog]

(09-10-2024, 12:26 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: I don't know what they are specifically apologizing for, but that was in no way a touchdown. The receiver has to survive the catch and a specific body part such as a knee, elbow or otherwise touching does not negate this fact. Here is the link to the NFL rulebook. Here is the excerpt that very explicitly and clearly outlines this...





Here is the loss of control...



And here is the ball touching the ground....



This a very clear incomplete pass. 

Disagree. He had posession until he hit the ground. However, when he touched the ground, the defender was touching him. Freeze frame, play over. The ball came loose after impact with the ground but the play should have already been over at that point.

[BengalsLUFC]

I had 30 quid at 3/1 on Gesicki any time TD.

This thread has upset me in many ways :lol:

[KillerGoose]

(09-10-2024, 02:02 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Disagree. He had posession until he hit the ground. However, when he touched the ground, the defender was touching him. Freeze frame, play over. The ball came loose after impact with the ground but the play should have already been over at that point.

The rule has never worked like that though, Harley. You have to maintain possession through the ground. This has been a thing for years, and are why this list of plays are not touchdowns.

1. Jesse James TD overturned
2. Hunter Henry TD overturned
3. Chiefs TD overturned
4. Texans TD overturned
   

It's not a freeze frame, play over situation. The receiver has to control it through the ground. Gesicki did not, so it wasn't a catch. 

[higgy100]

(09-10-2024, 02:51 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: The rule has never worked like that though, Harley. You have to maintain possession through the ground. This has been a thing for years, and are why this list of plays are not touchdowns.

1. Jesse James TD overturned
2. Hunter Henry TD overturned
3. Chiefs TD overturned
4. Texans TD overturned
   

It's not a freeze frame, play over situation. The receiver has to control it through the ground. Gesicki did not, so it wasn't a catch. 

The last replay shown coming back from the commercial break clearly showed his lack of possession of the football.

[HarleyDog]

(09-10-2024, 02:51 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: The rule has never worked like that though, Harley. You have to maintain possession through the ground. This has been a thing for years, and are why this list of plays are not touchdowns.

1. Jesse James TD overturned
2. Hunter Henry TD overturned
3. Chiefs TD overturned
4. Texans TD overturned
   

It's not a freeze frame, play over situation. The receiver has to control it through the ground. Gesicki did not, so it wasn't a catch. 

Here's my argument on these plays.

Jesse James: Was not touched when he lost the ball. Ball was not fully controlled. Gesicki caught the ball with 2 hands, brought it in to his body.
Hunter Henry: Has it, didn't pull it in.
Chiefs: Clearly the ball came out on the hit before he was down.
Texans: I would say the ball was out of bounds when he landed. Very close.

I'm unable to listen to the videos because I'm at work, so my reply may seem silly. But all were pretty close. 

[TKUHL]

(09-10-2024, 10:41 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I feel vindicated, as several told me I was wrong when I pointed out that it should have stood as called.

Same here. I thought once his elbow hit in bounds the play was over at that point resulting in a TD. Who tf knows anymore. They have some funky ass rules that can be interpreted differently from ref to ref. I have no idea what a catch is anymore.

[KillerGoose]

(09-10-2024, 03:14 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Here's my argument on these plays.

Jesse James: Was not touched when he lost the ball. Ball was not fully controlled. Gesicki caught the ball with 2 hands, brought it in to his body.
Hunter Henry: Has it, didn't pull it in.
Chiefs: Clearly the ball came out on the hit before he was down.
Texans: I would say the ball was out of bounds when he landed. Very close.

I'm unable to listen to the videos because I'm at work, so my reply may seem silly. But all were pretty close. 

The audio on at least two of those has the head official coming in and saying "The player must survive the ground and maintain possession of the ball. Incomplete pass." This rule is outlined as follows...

Quote:If a player, who satisfied (a) and (b), but has not satisfied ©, contacts the ground and loses control of the ball, it is an incomplete pass if the ball hits the ground before he regains control, or if he regains control out of bounds

You have to survive the ground, man. Gesicki didn't. It's been this way for years.