New allegations against Watson

[George Cantstandya]

Looks like he is facing more allegations this time claiming he exposed himself and sexually assaulted a woman during a date in 2020.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/deshaun-watson-news-browns-qb-strongly-denies-allegations-as-coach-stands-behind-due-process-amid-lawsuit/

Quote:The lawsuit, filed Monday in Houston, alleges that Watson exposed himself and sexually assaulted a woman, who's not been publicly identified, while on a date at her apartment.

Quote:"Deshaun strongly denies the allegations in the Jane Doe lawsuit filed Monday," Watson's attorney, Rusty Hardin, said in a Wednesday statement. "We have asked him not to comment further while this matter works its way through the courts, but are comfortable he will ultimately be vindicated. We will be ready to defend this case in court at the appropriate time, but don't intend to conduct our defense in the media. We would ask that people be patient while the legal process runs its course. In the meantime, Deshaun is going to focus his energy and concentration on football."

As always I agree with innocent until proven guilty.   So let the case play out in court.  That said given Watson's play or lack there of I think most would agree the Texans  trade that landed them 3 first round picks for Watson robbed the Browns blind.

[SunsetBengal]

There have been a few articles written on this topic, speculating that this could be the "out" that the Browns franchise is desperately looking for with him. Seems like there is a paragraph in his contract that voids any and all guarantees if any other "matters" that were previously undisclosed to the Browns at the time of signing. (along with a list of other things that could void the guarantees)

The big question at this point (at least in the minds of Browns fans) is, did he warn the Browns of this potentially arising?

[JS-Steelerfan]

(09-11-2024, 06:38 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: There have been a few articles written on this topic, speculating that this could be the "out" that the Browns franchise is desperately looking for with him. Seems like there is a paragraph in his contract that voids any and all guarantees if any other "matters" that were previously undisclosed to the Browns at the time of signing. (along with a list of other things that could void the guarantees)

The big question at this point (at least in the minds of Browns fans) is, did he warn the Browns of this potentially arising?

I get why people think that he should warn them, but I'm not sure I understand why anyone thinks that he would.  He was negotiating for the best deal possible, and disclosing that information would obviously lessen it.  An ethical person would take the hit, but why would anyone expect a person with his history to act ethically?  

[SunsetBengal]

(09-12-2024, 10:22 AM)JS-Steelerfan Wrote: I get why people think that he should warn them, but I'm not sure I understand why anyone thinks that he would.  He was negotiating for the best deal possible, and disclosing that information would obviously lessen it.  An ethical person would take the hit, but why would anyone expect a person with his history to act ethically?  

While it does seem odd that this person is coming forward now, rather than 2 years ago, it certainly would have been in his best interest to let the team be aware of the possibility. I can think of nearly a quarter billion reasons why.

[XenoMorph]

(09-12-2024, 11:37 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: While it does seem odd that this person is coming forward now, rather than 2 years ago, it certainly would have been in his best interest to let the team be aware of the possibility. I can think of nearly a quarter billion reasons why.

Big question is does it give the browns an out

cause im sure they want one

[Goalpost]

From what I have heard, Watson's contract secures/promises his guarantees, regardless of any litigation, up until 2024. And it just so happens this is now a new case that is filed in 2024. If Watson was hiding something, the contract might not protect him at this point.

[HarleyDog]

(09-12-2024, 04:00 PM)Goalpost Wrote: From what I have heard, Watson's contract secures/promises his guarantees, regardless of any litigation, up until 2024.  And it just so happens this is now a new case that is filed in 2024.  If Watson was hiding something, the contract might not protect him at this point.

I'm pretty sure he's on his way out after this year anyway. He's lost his mojo.

[JS-Steelerfan]

(09-12-2024, 11:37 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: While it does seem odd that this person is coming forward now, rather than 2 years ago, it certainly would have been in his best interest to let the team be aware of the possibility. I can think of nearly a quarter billion reasons why.

It would also have been in his best interest not to have done all of these things. But … here we are. This is not a guy who has historically been interested in his best interest.

[SunsetBengal]

(09-13-2024, 08:03 AM)JS-Steelerfan Wrote: It would also have been in his best interest not to have done all of these things.  But … here we are.  This is not a guy who has historically been interested in his best interest.

I'm with you on the opinion that Watson is likely a POS and deserves any misfortune coming his way, but I also enjoy seeing the Browns franchise suffer for opening that pandora's box of the fully guaranteed contract. Does that make sense?

[FormerlyBengalRugby]

He will use his guaranteed cash to make this go away. It is only a matter of how much it will cost him.

Many players do this, it just never gets out because most are quick and cheap.

Not that it is right, on either side.

[XenoMorph]

(09-12-2024, 04:50 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: I'm pretty sure he's on his way out after this year anyway. He's lost his mojo.

the payments if they dont have an out though will be rough

[*Awful Llama*]

(09-13-2024, 08:10 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'm with you on the opinion that Watson is likely a POS and deserves any misfortune coming his way, but I also enjoy seeing the Browns franchise suffer for opening that pandora's box of the fully guaranteed contract. Does that make sense?

It certainly does.  The schadenfreude with this is off the scale.  

[HarleyDog]

(09-13-2024, 12:50 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: the payments if they dont have an out though will be rough

In a way, they deserve to be burned. They have mishandled QB's for what, 20 years now? 

[Vambo]

(09-11-2024, 03:36 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: Looks like he is facing more allegations this time claiming he exposed himself and sexually assaulted a woman during a date in 2020.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/deshaun-watson-news-browns-qb-strongly-denies-allegations-as-coach-stands-behind-due-process-amid-lawsuit/



As always I agree with innocent until proven guilty.   So let the case play out in court.  That said given Watson's play or lack there of I think most would agree the Texans  trade that landed them 3 first round picks for Watson robbed the Browns blind.

Browns  are not the only team whose large investment at QB isn’t paying off. Here’s an NFL reality check for the QB position:
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Jaguars paid Trevor Lawrence $275M ($55M average), and they’re 0-8 in their last eight games.

Bengals paid Joe Burrow $275M ($55M average), and he’s finished 50% of his career on IR and the Bengals are 0-3 to start the season.

Dolphins and Packers both paid their QBs $55M/year and both QBs are currently injured and not playing.

Chargers paid Justin Herbert $52.5M/year just to hire a run-heavy coach. Plus, Herbert continues to suffer and potentially miss time with injuries.

Eagles paid Jalen Hurts $51M/year, and he’s been extremely hot and cold. Hurts is currently T-3rd most INTs in 2024.

Broncos traded 2 first-round picks, 2 seconds and more for Russell Wilson. They’re currently paying $53M for Wilson to be the backup QB in Pittsburgh.

49ers traded 3 first-round picks to get Trey Lance. He made 4 starts.

Panthers traded 2 firsts, 2 seconds and D.J. Moore for Bryce Young. He was benched after 2 games this season.

Going back further, Eagles paid Carson Wentz $32M/year for 4 years in 2019. He was replaced by Jalen Hurts less than 2 years later.

Rams paid Jared Goff $33.5M/year for 4 years in 2019. Two years later, they traded Goff and 2 first-round picks for Matthew Stafford.
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The bottom line is the QB position is the most important position in sports, and teams will do some pretty wild things at the mere chance of getting it right.

Hindsight is always 20/20, but when teams makes these decisions, they’re making their moves for the ultimate upside. More times than not, it doesn’t work the way they hoped.

But that doesn’t mean you quit trying.