Daniel Jones released

[*pally*]

Giants QB Daniel Jones asked for his release and it was granted. The former #1 draft pick hits the waiver wires.

[CKwi88]

(11-22-2024, 01:40 PM)pally Wrote: Giants QB Daniel Jones asked for his release and it was granted.  The former #1 draft pick hits the waiver wires.

Good on the Giants for doing right by him and just granting his release now.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

Giving Daniel Jones $40m/yr NEVER made sense to me. Up there with Lawrence getting $55m/yr.

Need some owners to start just saying "nah, I am not going to pay $40-60m/yr for a mediocre QB" so we don't keep just absurdly ballooning the QB salaries. Pretty sure Daniel Jones and Christian Kirk were the moment QB and WR salaries jumped the shark.

[CKwi88]

(11-22-2024, 04:29 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Giving Daniel Jones $40m/yr NEVER made sense to me. Up there with Lawrence getting $55m/yr.

Need some owners to start just saying "nah, I am not going to pay $40-60m/yr for a mediocre QB" so we don't keep just absurdly ballooning the QB salaries. Pretty sure Daniel Jones and Christian Kirk were the moment QB and WR salaries jumped the shark.

I can wholeheartedly agree on the WR front. 

QB is a little more complicated. A team's success is so disproportionately affected by the QB that if there is even a glimmer of hope that you have found "the guy" you have to pay them. You have to go back 20+ years to find a true "game manager" QB to win the Superbowl. Even QBs like Flacco, Eli and Foles showed that they were at least capable of playing lights out. 

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(11-22-2024, 05:50 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: I can wholeheartedly agree on the WR front. 

QB is a little more complicated. A team's success is so disproportionately affected by the QB that if there is even a glimmer of hope that you have found "the guy" you have to pay them. You have to go back 20+ years to find a true "game manager" QB to win the Superbowl. Even QBs like Flacco, Eli and Foles showed that they were at least capable of playing lights out. 

No, you really don't. If you massively overpay a mediocre QB trying to fool yourself you're guaranteeing that you're never going to win a SB anyway because you're giving a massive chunk of your cap to a mid player.

I never hated Dalton because he was never paid as a top QB, at no point was he ever paid as a top-10 QB, which let us put a better team around him (though we refused to participate in FA and had a mediocre HC so we never took full advantage). 
-In 2014 when Dalton signed his $16m/yr deal that was 12% of the 2014 salary cap. 
-Daniel Jones' $40m/yr he got in 2023 was 17.8% of the salary cap. 
-Trevor Lawrence's $55m/yr this year was 21.5% of the salary cap.

You can't just be a glimmer of hope if you're committing that much of your salary cap to a QB. They need to be SPECIAL, or you're ensuring that you'll never be able to build up a good enough team around them to make up for their lack of being special.

[CKwi88]

(11-22-2024, 06:04 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: No, you really don't. If you massively overpay a mediocre QB trying to fool yourself you're guaranteeing that you're never going to win a SB anyway because you're giving a massive chunk of your cap to a mid player.

I never hated Dalton because he was never paid as a top QB, at no point was he ever paid as a top-10 QB, which let us put a better team around him (though we refused to participate in FA and had a mediocre HC so we never took full advantage). 
-In 2014 when Dalton signed his $16m/yr deal that was 12% of the 2014 salary cap. 
-Daniel Jones' $40m/yr he got in 2023 was 17.8% of the salary cap. 
-Trevor Lawrence's $55m/yr this year was 21.5% of the salary cap.

You can't just be a glimmer of hope if you're committing that much of your salary cap to a QB. They need to be SPECIAL, or you're ensuring that you'll never be able to build up a good enough team around them to make up for their lack of being special.

I'd wager that both NYG and JAX thought, rightfully or wrongfully, that their guys were special. Hindsight is 20/20 and it obviously wasn't the case for Jones and it won't be surprising if some people lose their jobs over that miscalculation, especially with the epic bad takes from the NYG Hard Knocks (big oof on the Saquon deal).

Again it's an unfortunate byproduct of the QB's importance because without a special one, or at least one that can be special for 3-4 games at the right time like Flacco, Eli or Foles, you're not winning the Superbowl. These contracts are kind of like the 2011 draft. Teams thought Locker, Gabbert or Ponder could be the guy, and set their franchises back years. Tough to fault them for trying though.