Some of this train wreck should have been seen in camp

[TJ528]

(12-05-2024, 04:58 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: CTB wouldn't start on most NFL Teams.

He'd probably be a #3 or #4 CB or a safety.

The way CTB has played this year the dude would be on most teams Practice Squads.

He's absolutely looked lost and like he doesnt understand football. 

Could also be he hasnt had anyone up front pressure this year except Trey which lengthens the amount of time CTB has to be in coverage. 

[THE PISTONS]

(12-05-2024, 05:08 PM)TJ528 Wrote: The way CTB has played this year the dude would be on most teams Practice Squads.

He's absolutely looked lost and like he doesnt understand football. 

Could also be he hasnt had anyone up front pressure this year except Trey which lengthens the amount of time CTB has to be in coverage. 

I think it has to do with role. As a #3 he was good. But, move him up to a #1 CB going against the other teams top guy, and he struggles.

Plus I think we use a lot of weird defenses. We play Zone a lot and I think some of these guys are better in man.

[Timanky12]

(12-04-2024, 12:49 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: 8-9? That’s good compared what they actually are

That was assuming they went 3-3 in AFC north. Well that’s not happening now, otherwise I would have been on target.

[Timanky12]

(12-05-2024, 05:01 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: So you predicted 8-9, and they're likely to be 5-12 or 6-11 and you are taking credit.

If they were 12-5 would you take credit?

At least I wasn’t one of the idiots who predicted 14-3 or 12-5 with a 4th place schedule.  I kept hearing all year, they are going to get on a roll and win 6-7 games in a row. From what i saw in preseason, there was no way that was going to happen. Defense couldn’t stop anyone, even backup QB’s.

I also assumed we could go 3-3 in AFC north. So if they would have won those 2 homes AFC north games they would be 6-6, and they would still be looking at 8-9

[THE PISTONS]

(12-05-2024, 05:29 PM)Timanky12 Wrote: At least I wasn’t one of the idiots who predicted 14-3 or 12-5 with a 4th place schedule.  I kept hearing all year, they are going to get on a roll and win 6-7 games in a row. From what i saw in preseason, there was no way that was going to happen. Defense couldn’t stop anyone, even backup QB’s.

I also assumed we could go 3-3 in AFC north. So if they would have won those 2 homes AFC north games they would be 6-6, and they would still be looking at 8-9

I think a lot of people thought that Burrow being hurt last year and coming back this year would lead to more wins.

There's a certain, probably small percent of the fanbase that always thinks we'll win most of our games. Then, a certain small percent think's we'll be 3-14 every year.

Most are probably somewhere in the middle of the bell curve and predict 7-10 wins each year.

I think most people realize the coaches are average at best. I think people know the front office is average at best.

[Timanky12]

(12-05-2024, 05:35 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I think a lot of people thought that Burrow being hurt last year and coming back this year would lead to more wins.

There's a certain, probably small percent of the fanbase that always thinks we'll win most of our games. Then, a certain small percent think's we'll be 3-14 every year.

Most are probably somewhere in the middle of the bell curve and predict 7-10 wins each year.

I think most people realize the coaches are average at best. I think people know the front office is average at best.

All adds up to average team on a good day. But when defense can’t pass rush, LB’s miss tackles, holes all over the secondary, average is a pipe dream. 

[puddycat]

Or before camp..
We carried extra DTs knowing we were starting depleted, but thinking that September games don't really matter and that the DLine would gel eventually.
We hoped that the new blood and Rankins would improve the inside pass rush. The result: 2 sacks for BJ Hill, 1 each for Jenkins and Rankins, and a split sack for Zach Carter and Tufele. We hoped that a healthy Hubbard would return to form, when he had 5-7 sacks; he has 2. Ossai has 2. Murphy has zero.
A better pass rush wouldn't expose the deep but non-elite CBs, or the unathletic but savvy safeties. Not only didn't any pass rush materialize, but the early gashing in the run game left the inexperience CBs and unathletic safeties shell-shocked, freelancing in a system that had left them exposed.

In other words, the defense was set up to fail.

[SunsetBengal]

(12-05-2024, 03:53 PM)CJD Wrote: My head canon is that we thought our interior Dline was in good shape during training camp because they didn't realize how bad their Interior Oline was and vice versa.

How would they know who's good or not? With the very limited amount of full contact practices and lack of preseason game action from the primary players, there's really no way for them to know who's tough and who's fools gold. Zac conducts things the way he does in the name of injury prevention, yet there we were after the KC game with our 4 "best" DTs all out with injury and relying on bums off the street to absorb a few snaps.

I get protecting your star skill players from unnecessary injuries in preseason, but the fundamental blockers and tacklers actually need that time to temper their bodies and get on the same page.

[RegularGuy22]

I was with Timanky12 on the W-L guess back during pre-season. I think we both guessed 9-8 and we were ridiculed for thinking it and here they are and won't even hit that. The starters on O played 1 series and scored a TD the entire preseason and everybody thought they were playoff bound, I don't think the starters stepped foot on the field again  till the NE loss.  I just had a feeling, no I don't want credit or a cookie for feeling that way and then after the NE loss my thoughts were that this was going to be a rough season.

[samhain]

Man I wish I was wrong, but I posted a total meltdown thread about this season 2 days before the opening kickoff.

The vibes were way off.  They had the feel of a team that went to the Super Bowl a few years ago and thought it made them NFL elite.  They were high on their own supply.  The soft camp and hold-outs might not have sunk them alone, but cumulatively they made them stumble out of the gate.  

It was also getting late as far as some prospects that were being used in key roles.  They haven't really drafted a cornerstone first rounder since Chase.  

The most mind blowing thing to me was a team with a poor run defense in 2023 letting their star NT walk and not rostering a replacement.  That shit was never going to work.  

This was all before I knew that our badass FS signing from the Ravens was the worst safety we've seen since Ifeyani Ohalete (sorry I know speaking the name is taboo around here I just think it's impossible to overemphasize how bad Stone has been.).  Stone is as poor an athlete as I've ever seen play the position.  Also had no idea that Rankins would shit the bed as well.  I though he'd be a high floor signing.  Never would have predicted that CTB would somehow forget how to play football.  I assumed he was on the way to being a solid to very good corner.  

Sometimes things catch up with a team.  Not extending a guy is perfectly understandable.  You can't keep them all.  Having 3 of your 4 best players disgruntled about money is toxic.  It sends a bad message to young player, too.  It tells them that you won't reward them for production no matter how good.

[Housh]

FWIW all camp locked on Bengals said the D was winning most of the 11 vs 11 games

Also they said Cappa looked bad at camp and they said Geno was “figuring it out”

They dropped hints for sure

[NUGDUKWE]

I think the Bengals have a couple of consistent problems. They undervalue/take for granted the talent we have on the field. Then pair that with the fact we overestimate the players we can get in the draft. I'm sure mixed with what Burrow Chase and the rest of the offense can do we probably didn't think the defense needed to do too much.

[RunKijanaRun]

I was afraid of it, especially given Lac’s penchant for starting the season 0-2 even when all’s well.

Lo and behold, it was worse than even I feared.

[Bengalitis]

(12-04-2024, 12:49 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: 8-9? That’s good compared what they actually are

8-9 feels like a Marvin revival.