Reds Acquired Jose Trevino

[cinci4life]

Reds just acquired catcher Jose Trevino from the Yankees and send them Fernando Cruz and catcher Alex Jackson.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/12/reds-to-acquire-jose-trevino.html

[samhain]

IDK how I feel about this.

Cruz was a real high-leverage weapon in the first half. David Bell's rampant overuse ran him into the ground. He could be a beast in NY or he could be a player on the verge of falling off.

Trevino is a nice defensive catcher.

My initial reaction is that this is a bit of an overpay by the Reds.

[CJD]

Through the first 3 months of the season, Fernando Cruz had 60 strikeouts and only 18 walks in 39 appearances over 35.1 innings. His split finger pitch was virtually unhittable. He had a few bad outings in May that raised his ERA to 3.72 at the end of June.

In the following 3 months, he had 49 strikeouts and 17 walks in 30 appearances over 31.1 innings.

I expected to look at his numbers and see that his fell off the face of the earth in the second half of the season but, really, it was mostly just a horrific July where he only had 8 strikeouts to 6 walks and a 9.00 ERA.

His August wasn't great, with a 5.65 ERA, but he recovered with 22 strikeouts to 6 walks. He closed out the year with a 4.00 ERA September with 19 strikeouts and 5 walks.

This feels like we sold low on Cruz. I think he could go to New York and be a clutch set up man, whereas we got a back up, defense first catcher with a bad bat for 1 season.

I am not tearing my hair out at this trade, but it does feel like we got the short end of the stick.

Maybe the Reds coaches know something we don't and Cruz really did break down at the end of the year, but this feels more like a perception thing than a reality thing.

[Forever Spinning Vinyl]

Cruz was a 5th or 6th inning pitcher at best. Overused by Bell, and he had his stretches of greatness, but he was never a late inning pitcher. As far as backup ctahcer . . . I liked Lee Trevino a lot. He was a funny golfer. Hope that helps.

[SladeX]

Wonder if he’s related to Alex Trevino, Soto’s “ personal catcher “ in the early 80’s

[SunsetBengal]

(12-21-2024, 02:16 PM)CJD Wrote: Through the first 3 months of the season, Fernando Cruz had 60 strikeouts and only 18 walks in 39 appearances over 35.1 innings. His split finger pitch was virtually unhittable. He had a few bad outings in May that raised his ERA to 3.72 at the end of June.

In the following 3 months, he had 49 strikeouts and 17 walks in 30 appearances over 31.1 innings.

I expected to look at his numbers and see that his fell off the face of the earth in the second half of the season but, really, it was mostly just a horrific July where he only had 8 strikeouts to 6 walks and a 9.00 ERA.

His August wasn't great, with a 5.65 ERA, but he recovered with 22 strikeouts to 6 walks. He closed out the year with a 4.00 ERA September with 19 strikeouts and 5 walks.

This feels like we sold low on Cruz. I think he could go to New York and be a clutch set up man, whereas we got a back up, defense first catcher with a bad bat for 1 season.

I am not tearing my hair out at this trade, but it does feel like we got the short end of the stick.

Maybe the Reds coaches know something we don't and Cruz really did break down at the end of the year, but this feels more like a perception thing than a reality thing.

Why do they refer to Trevino as a solid defensive catcher? From what I read, 57/70 attempts to steal on him were successful. 

[Bengalholic]

(12-22-2024, 01:25 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Why do they refer to Trevino as a solid defensive catcher? From what I read, 57/70 attempts to steal on him were successful. 

He's a former Gold Glove winner, who's 2nd in the majors since 2021 in defensive WAR among catchers. In 2022, he led all catchers in ERA and in runs saved. He's also an elite level framer and among the best at blocking pitches. His one weakness is definitely throwing out runners. Overall though, he's extremely solid behind the plate.

[SunsetBengal]

(12-22-2024, 02:02 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: He's a former Gold Glove winner, who's 2nd in the majors since 2021 in defensive WAR among catchers. In 2022, he led all catchers in ERA and in runs saved. He's also an elite level framer and among the best at blocking pitches. His one weakness is definitely throwing out runners. Overall though, he's extremely solid behind the plate.

That makes sense, thanks for the info. When I saw that stat about the steals, it just kind of jumped out at me as "not very defensive".

[Bengalholic]

(12-22-2024, 02:04 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That makes sense, thanks for the info. When I saw that stat about the steals, it just kind of jumped out at me as "not very defensive".

Yeah, for as good as he is in the other areas, that's definitely his one weakness.

[SunsetBengal]

(12-22-2024, 02:15 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: Yeah, for as good as he is in the other areas, that's definitely his one weakness.

But if he erases runs at the plate and rarely allows passed balls, that really makes up for his lack of contribution with his bat.

[samhain]

(12-22-2024, 02:44 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: But if he erases runs at the plate and rarely allows passed balls, that really makes up for his lack of contribution with his bat.

He had a wrist or hand injury at some point.  That probably impacted his ability to throw runners out.  

[kevin]

(12-21-2024, 01:01 AM)cinci4life Wrote: Reds just acquired catcher Jose Trevino from the Yankees and send them Fernando Cruz and catcher Alex Jackson.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/12/reds-to-acquire-jose-trevino.html

The Reds,com 40 man roster has shown only 1 catcher. Stephenson.  One is not enough, especially with Stephenson injury history.  So I said on here that Reds would have to make a move for more catchers.  So OK, they added one.  That makes 2.   When Pitchers and Catchers report early to Spring Training, they will need more than 2 catchers.  They have a ton of pitchers on the 40 man roster to sort through.  

At least they now have more than just Stephenson.  I'm still not sure they have filled their catching needs, and there are no minor league Reds catchers ready as top prospects in 2025.  Don't be surprised if Reds try to find more help at catcher, it is a very weak area going into 2025. 

[*ochocincos*]

(12-21-2024, 02:16 PM)CJD Wrote: Through the first 3 months of the season, Fernando Cruz had 60 strikeouts and only 18 walks in 39 appearances over 35.1 innings. His split finger pitch was virtually unhittable. He had a few bad outings in May that raised his ERA to 3.72 at the end of June.

In the following 3 months, he had 49 strikeouts and 17 walks in 30 appearances over 31.1 innings.

I expected to look at his numbers and see that his fell off the face of the earth in the second half of the season but, really, it was mostly just a horrific July where he only had 8 strikeouts to 6 walks and a 9.00 ERA.

His August wasn't great, with a 5.65 ERA, but he recovered with 22 strikeouts to 6 walks. He closed out the year with a 4.00 ERA September with 19 strikeouts and 5 walks.

This feels like we sold low on Cruz. I think he could go to New York and be a clutch set up man, whereas we got a back up, defense first catcher with a bad bat for 1 season.

I am not tearing my hair out at this trade, but it does feel like we got the short end of the stick.

Maybe the Reds coaches know something we don't and Cruz really did break down at the end of the year, but this feels more like a perception thing than a reality thing.

It could be that Cruz wanted to be leveraged into a more important role this year but Francona and crew had other ideas, so they made the trade?
Just trying to think of what else it might be other than pure talent.