Donovan Jackson

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 01:22 PM)Whatever Wrote: Losing a QB drafted in the Top 10 and replacing him with a cancer survivor will do that to individual production.

I'm not going to knock Warren as a prospect, because I like him, too.  But no need to tear down Loveland, either.  Both would look great in stripes.

I have no stake in Loveland's career. I said he has a high ceiling, not sure why you jumped to tearing him down.

I watched him 2023 and 2024, I just don't get a great feeling he will be a great TE in the NFL. He will be a first or second round pick, it will be up to him to live up to his draft status. I am not rooking against the guy (unless Ravens, Browns, Chiefs or Steelers draft him).

[Whatever]

(Yesterday, 01:41 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I have no stake in Loveland's career. I said he has a high ceiling, not sure why you jumped to tearing him down.

I watched him 2023 and 2024, I just don't get a great feeling he will be a great TE in the NFL. He will be a first or second round pick, it will be up to him to live up to his draft status. I am not rooking against the guy (unless Ravens, Browns, Chiefs or Steelers draft him).

I mean, you said you don't see a "great TE" at the NFL level.

Warren, I believe is a "safer" pick because of his blocking ability and his ability to find soft spots in zone coverage.  If you think of what you want out out of a solid starting TE, you want a good blocker and a zone beater.  But star type production will be highly dependent on an innovative OC that will get him the ball in a variety of ways, not to mention a supporting cast that warrants him receiving a significant volume of manufactured touches.  

Loveland is lower floor, but higher upside in my view.  Watch Warren after watching Loveland and Warren looks positively stiff.  Loveland has elite potential as a receiver.  He's not a bad blocker, but if he can't make the leap to the next level in that area, then he's going to be a Gesicki type sub package move TE, which is why I say the floor is lower.  But the potential as a receiver is mouth watering.

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 04:47 PM)Whatever Wrote: I mean, you said you don't see a "great TE" at the NFL level.

Warren, I believe is a "safer" pick because of his blocking ability and his ability to find soft spots in zone coverage.  If you think of what you want out out of a solid starting TE, you want a good blocker and a zone beater.  But star type production will be highly dependent on an innovative OC that will get him the ball in a variety of ways, not to mention a supporting cast that warrants him receiving a significant volume of manufactured touches.  

Loveland is lower floor, but higher upside in my view.  Watch Warren after watching Loveland and Warren looks positively stiff.  Loveland has elite potential as a receiver.  He's not a bad blocker, but if he can't make the leap to the next level in that area, then he's going to be a Gesicki type sub package move TE, which is why I say the floor is lower.  But the potential as a receiver is mouth watering.

I also said I am no expert and when did being a good TE in the NFL become a bad thing.

For me, there are 1st round TE prospects who need to be awesome if a team is going to spend a 1st round pick and 1st round money on them versus a TE in round 2 or later. TE is not a position picked a lot in the 1st round due to the projected high costs of other positions like QB, CB, OT, WR and Edge rusher. 

You think he has mouthwatering potential, but I don't to take someone with average production 2 years in a row in round 1. Maybe he is sitting there with pick 49 and we did not select Warren. I say no, he goes no later than pick 42 and likely in round 1 based on concenus rankings.

[Whatever]

(Yesterday, 05:03 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I also said I am no expert and when did being a good TE in the NFL become a bad thing.

For me, there are 1st round TE prospects who need to be awesome if a team is going to spend a 1st round pick and 1st round money on them versus a TE in round 2 or later. TE is not a position picked a lot in the 1st round due to the projected high costs of other positions like QB, CB, OT, WR and Edge rusher. 

You think he has mouthwatering potential, but I don't to take someone with average production 2 years in a row in round 1. Maybe he is sitting there with pick 49 and we did not select Warren. I say no, he goes no later than pick 42 and likely in round 1 based on concenus rankings.

Loveland missed 4 games this year and his production would have been significantly better if not for that.  

Truthfully, if either guy falls into the 2nd, it will likely be Warren.  Blocking is not as valued when you're talking about spending a 1st on a TE.  Beyond that, Warren is 24, where Loveland is 20.  Teams don't like spending 1st's on 24 year olds.  I don't think either falls to us in the 2nd just due to a lack of offensive difference makers in this class.  

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 05:52 PM)Whatever Wrote: Loveland missed 4 games this year and his production would have been significantly better if not for that.  

Truthfully, if either guy falls into the 2nd, it will likely be Warren.  Blocking is not as valued when you're talking about spending a 1st on a TE.  Beyond that, Warren is 24, where Loveland is 20.  Teams don't like spending 1st's on 24 year olds.  I don't think either falls to us in the 2nd just due to a lack of offensive difference makers in this class.  

I get that you favor the receiving TEs more than the all purpose type, and I understand why, they can be a tremendous asset to an offense that features the TE in their downfield plays. I'm just more partial to the guys that contribute something valuable to the play, even on the downs that they are not a target. For me, Warren with his versatility and toughness won me over.

[Whatever]

(Yesterday, 05:58 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I get that you favor the receiving TEs more than the all purpose type, and I understand why, they can be a tremendous asset to an offense that features the TE in their downfield plays. I'm just more partial to the guys that contribute something valuable to the play, even on the downs that they are not a target. For me, Warren with his versatility and toughness won me over.

I love Warren's game, truly. Both guys have advantages over the other and it is really a matter of what traits you're looking for as to which is better in a vacuum.  

A four year age gap is huge, though.  Either way, I wouldn't be mad come draft day.