Dalton Risner FA

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(01-20-2025, 02:22 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Yeah, I have spent next to zero time looking at 2025 draft folks, lol. I just did a quick search to see what IOL would be around there and I saw him as a 2nd in one and rolled with without checking more sources. 

My general point remains though that we need to hit on at least one IOL in the draft. We can't construct our OL 4/5ths out of FAs without having to do compromises on the level of talent we'd sign. We tried that already by signing Cappa/Karras/La'el Collins in one offseason. Which was better than what we had, but not as good as if we could have hit on one draft pick and then used the money from one of those three to upgrade one or both of the others to a better player.

Yep, have to add an early Draft pick, I doubt we add 2 FA's on the IOL.

(01-20-2025, 05:24 PM)pulses Wrote: The thing that sucks about this OL class is it isn't very strong so anything past round 3 is prob a waste for us. Their are a few OT's that can play OG at the next level and I would think we may be interested in that as well.....OBJ should be gone in a couple years.

Yeah, we will have to pick an IOL in the first 3 rounds to have a chance at a good one. Get at least 1 FA and an early pick for Peters to work with.

[pulses]

(01-20-2025, 05:30 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yep, have to add an early Draft pick, I doubt we add 2 FA's on the IOL.


Yeah, we will have to pick an IOL in the first 3 rounds to have a chance at a good one. Get at least 1 FA and an early pick for Peters to work with.

Hayden Conner LG from Texas  6'5 320 with elite pass pro technique I like a lot. He's prob a 2nd/ 3rd rounder when it's all said and done

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(01-20-2025, 05:34 PM)pulses Wrote: Hayden Conner LG from Texas  6'5 320 with elite pass pro technique I like a lot. He's prob a 2nd/ 3rd rounder when it's all said and done

Yeah, I like Conner myself. Got to watch quite a few Texas games this year and was impressed by Conner in pass pro.

Immediate upgrade over Volson in pass protection for damn sure. Conner and Trey Smith and boom.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(01-20-2025, 05:24 PM)pulses Wrote: The thing that sucks about this OL class is it isn't very strong so anything past round 3 is prob a waste for us. Their are a few OT's that can play OG at the next level and I would think we may be interested in that as well.....OBJ should be gone in a couple years.

I always feel like those claims past the top 20-40 players we are always just encroaching on a bit of guessing. What year was it not that long ago where everyone had gotten to the point of repeating the claim of how incredibly deep some draft was in OL that we didn't need to draft one early because we could just as easily get a starter in the 3rd or 4th round? Was that the Volson draft?

I think finding a future Orlando replacement is so far down the list of current needs and priorities that it is on the back side of the page, or like... a second piece of smaller paper stapled onto the bottom of the main sheet.

I'm all on board with picking an OL early, though. 

[*Synric*]

(01-20-2025, 06:29 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I always feel like those claims past the top 20-40 players we are always just encroaching on a bit of guessing. What year was it not that long ago where everyone had gotten to the point of repeating the claim of how incredibly deep some draft was in OL that we didn't need to draft one early because we could just as easily get a starter in the 3rd or 4th round? Was that the Volson draft?

I think finding a future Orlando replacement is so far down the list of current needs and priorities that it is on the back side of the page, or like... a second piece of smaller paper stapled onto the bottom of the main sheet.

I'm all on board with picking an OL early, though. 

It was the Jackson Carman, Dante Smith, and Trey Smith draft and to be fair it was a deep OL class Bengals just missed on 3 picks lol.

[pulses]

(01-20-2025, 06:29 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I always feel like those claims past the top 20-40 players we are always just encroaching on a bit of guessing. What year was it not that long ago where everyone had gotten to the point of repeating the claim of how incredibly deep some draft was in OL that we didn't need to draft one early because we could just as easily get a starter in the 3rd or 4th round? Was that the Volson draft?

I think finding a future Orlando replacement is so far down the list of current needs and priorities that it is on the back side of the page, or like... a second piece of smaller paper stapled onto the bottom of the main sheet.

I'm all on board with picking an OL early, though. 

What i'm saying is their are OT's in this draft that can play guard as well or even better. So if you have the chance to get a guy who can play guard for a few years and then move to OT later on that's not a bad option.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(01-20-2025, 07:12 PM)pulses Wrote: What i'm saying is their are OT's in this draft that can play guard as well or even better. So if you have the chance to get a guy who can play guard for a few years and then move to OT later on that's not a bad option.

Very true.

[SunsetBengal]

With Trey Smith getting tagged and the price for guys like Fries and Daniels likely going up in value because of it, does anyone still have interest in bringing Dalton Risner on? While he likely won't be "cheap" he would definitely be an upgrade from Volson in pass pro. RG would likely be easier to find a day one plug and play in the draft, or just sign and play Cody Ford at RG.

[Luvnit2]

(03-03-2025, 09:43 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: With Trey Smith getting tagged and the price for guys like Fries and Daniels likely going up in value because of it, does anyone still have interest in bringing Dalton Risner on? While he likely won't be "cheap" he would definitely be an upgrade from Volson in pass pro. RG would likely be easier to find a day one plug and play in the draft, or just sign and play Cody Ford at RG.

We have the money to sign 2 quality OG's. I sure hope our plan is not to have Ford as our starting RG. That may cause me to start drinking again.

[samhain]

I'd like them to look at Mekari from the Ravens. He's versatile, but a better guard than tackle.

[SunsetBengal]

(03-03-2025, 10:09 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: We have the money to sign 2 quality OG's. I sure hope our plan is not to have Ford as our starting RG. That may cause me to start drinking again.

We might not want Cody Ford being our 17 game starter at any particular position, but he sure as hell should be retained on this roster. He filled in well for Volson when he got benched, and then showed way above his pay grade when he had to fill in for OBJr at LT. Cody Ford ain't no chump, he's been pretty good off the bench for this team.

[pulses]

(03-03-2025, 09:43 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: With Trey Smith getting tagged and the price for guys like Fries and Daniels likely going up in value because of it, does anyone still have interest in bringing Dalton Risner on? While he likely won't be "cheap" he would definitely be an upgrade from Volson in pass pro. RG would likely be easier to find a day one plug and play in the draft, or just sign and play Cody Ford at RG.

Sign two quality guards and stop shopping in the bargain bin.

[SunsetBengal]

(03-03-2025, 11:38 PM)pulses Wrote: Sign two quality guards and stop shopping in the bargain bin.

So, with 3 top value players to sign, which of those 3 are we letting go of and replacing their production for lesser value than their current worth? (none of them) You're right, the smartest move would be to boost the OL with two quality vets at Guard, and draft at least one of their replacements this year. However, with only 2 DTs currently under contract, that position is a major need as well. So is DE, as Murphy has shown nothing more than a rotational speller for a starter so far. Likely also losing Hilton at slot Corner, there's another position to fill. Pratt wants out, there's another potential hole to fill. (damn, it just keeps getting worse)

When you figure the cost of players going up, the Bengals with only moderate cap to spend, it's looking to me like one of the WRs (Tee Higgins) should be dealt, sign Trey or deal him away, lock up JaMarr for whatever he wants. Spend what's left on OL and DL and draft like you're going to fall into the fire if you don't get it right.

[pulses]

(03-03-2025, 11:48 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So, with 3 top value players to sign, which of those 3 are we letting go of and replacing their production for lesser value than their current worth? (none of them) You're right, the smartest move would be to boost the OL with two quality vets at Guard, and draft at least one of their replacements this year. However, with only 2 DTs currently under contract, that position is a major need as well. So is DE, as Murphy has shown nothing more than a rotational speller for a starter so far. Likely also losing Hilton at slot Corner, there's another position to fill. Pratt wants out, there's another potential hole to fill. (damn, it just keeps getting worse)

When you figure the cost of players going up, the Bengals with only moderate cap to spend, it's looking to me like one of the WRs (Tee Higgins) should be dealt, sign Trey or deal him away, lock up JaMarr for whatever he wants. Spend what's left on OL and DL and draft like you're going to fall into the fire if you don't get it right.

People won't like it but I'd deal Trey and Tee and fill those holes with FA's and in the draft....you'd like to potentially get a young WR back in the Tee trade. Trey picks and a young player whatever works out best for us you take it.....then load up in the draft and FA....Golden knows who he wants and i'm sure our OL coach knows who he wants......make it happen.

[Luvnit2]

(01-20-2025, 06:29 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I always feel like those claims past the top 20-40 players we are always just encroaching on a bit of guessing. What year was it not that long ago where everyone had gotten to the point of repeating the claim of how incredibly deep some draft was in OL that we didn't need to draft one early because we could just as easily get a starter in the 3rd or 4th round? Was that the Volson draft?

I think finding a future Orlando replacement is so far down the list of current needs and priorities that it is on the back side of the page, or like... a second piece of smaller paper stapled onto the bottom of the main sheet.

I'm all on board with picking an OL early, though. 

There are quite a few OT's in this draft than some experts project as being a good OT, but a better OG.

At 17 if one of the following is there, unless we sign 2 striong FA guards, they may consider them.

Campbell
Membou
Even Conerly

They could do as they did with Whitt, have them play guard and be the backup for OT so when Brown's days are over, we have hs replacement

[Luvnit2]

(03-03-2025, 11:48 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So, with 3 top value players to sign, which of those 3 are we letting go of and replacing their production for lesser value than their current worth? (none of them) You're right, the smartest move would be to boost the OL with two quality vets at Guard, and draft at least one of their replacements this year. However, with only 2 DTs currently under contract, that position is a major need as well. So is DE, as Murphy has shown nothing more than a rotational speller for a starter so far. Likely also losing Hilton at slot Corner, there's another position to fill. Pratt wants out, there's another potential hole to fill. (damn, it just keeps getting worse)

When you figure the cost of players going up, the Bengals with only moderate cap to spend, it's looking to me like one of the WRs (Tee Higgins) should be dealt, sign Trey or deal him away, lock up JaMarr for whatever he wants. Spend what's left on OL and DL and draft like you're going to fall into the fire if you don't get it right.

I think Hill is Hilton's replacement. If we trade Pratt, we use the Pratt money to replace him. He is well paid for a LB. I do think we can do 2 guards and a pass rushing DE or vet DT. As a rule, nose tackles are not expensive. The question becomes if they think McKinnley can fill that role. The other question is do we resign BJ Hill?

I love Tee, but I think we could get 2-3 quality vets + a first round pick in 2025 in a trade. That is the huge dilemma facing the team. Would the Pats give up the 4th pick in the draft for Tee? They certainly have the money and no Tee in this draft nor in FA. Maye Adams, but he is likely a 1 or 2 year band aide.

[pulses]

(03-03-2025, 11:55 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: There are quite a few OT's in this draft than some experts project as being a good OT, but a better OG.

At 17 if one of the following is there, unless we sign 2 striong FA guards, they may consider them.

Campbell
Membou
Even Conerly

They could do as they did with Whitt, have them play guard and be the backup for OT so when Brown's days are over, we have hs replacement

Conerly got abused at the senior bowl no thanks.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

Liking Becton, Fries, James Daniels the most after Trey Smith getting tagged but also not against Tevin Jenkins, Scherff or Risner either.

Lots of good options for us.

[ClarkHarris4Prez]

(03-04-2025, 12:02 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Would the Pats give up the 4th pick in the draft for Tee? They certainly have the money and no Tee in this draft nor in FA. 

No disrespect but how does a hardcore fan get it this wrong? The 4th pick in the draft for Tee? That is beyond ridiculous. The absolute most we could get for Tee is a bottom 1st round pick and that is even pushing it because they would also need to give him a big extension. Realistically the Pats 2nd round pick is probably the best we could hope for. Some of you play Madden too much I think.

[THE PISTONS]

(01-17-2025, 06:10 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Just like Nate said, I liked Risner better a few years ago. If the team makes a move for a free agent Guard, I hope they shoot for the moon and go after Trey Smith. Then, when Joe needs a yard and a half on a QB sneak, it'll be there.

It feels like the annual Dalton Risner thread. Seems he comes up a lot.