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We have pick #17, put your list together in order who you would draft if available with pick 17. I have no QB's or true OT's on my list due to need.
Carter = Penn State DE/Edge
Travis Hunter = CB/WR
Mason Graham - DT Michigan
Will Johnson = CB Michigan
Mykel Williams - Edge Georgia
McMillion - WR Arizona (if we don't keep Tee)
Starks - S Georgia
Jeanty - RB Boise State
Warren - TE Penn State
Pearce - Edge Tennessee
Egbuka - WR Ohio State
Scourton - DE Texas A&M
Nolan - DT Ole Miss
Booker - Guard Alabama
Jackson - Guard Ohio State
Savaiinaea -Guard/OT
Harmon - DT Oregon
2024 may go on record as one of most underperforming teams in Bengal history. Bengal's FO has major work to do on defensive side of the ball. I say tag and trade Tee Higgins in 2025 to start with the rebuild.
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Graham - DT Michigan, Hunter = CB/WR Colorado, Carter = DE Penn State DE, Johnson = CB Michigan, Pearce = DE Tennessee
Jeanty - RB Boise State, Starks - S Georgia, Nolan - DT Ole Miss, Green – DE Marshall, Revel CB Coastal Carolina
Warren - TE Penn State, Emmanwori S S. Carolina, Jackson - Guard Ohio State, Harmon - DT Oregon, Jalon Walker LB/DE Georgia
Morrison CB Notre Dame, McMillan – WR Arizona, Egbuka WR Ohio State
Clearly willing to trade down mid-list or below for team looking for a QB, OT, WR1.
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(Yesterday, 12:28 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: We have pick #17, put your list together in order who you would draft if available with pick 17. I have no QB's or true OT's on my list due to need.
Carter = Penn State DE/Edge
Travis Hunter = CB/WR
Mason Graham - DT Michigan
Will Johnson = CB Michigan
Mykel Williams - Edge Georgia
McMillion - WR Arizona (if we don't keep Tee)
Starks - S Georgia
Jeanty - RB Boise State
Warren - TE Penn State
Pearce - Edge Tennessee
Egbuka - WR Ohio State
Scourton - DE Texas A&M
Nolan - DT Ole Miss
Booker - Guard Alabama
Jackson - Guard Ohio State
Savaiinaea -Guard/OT
Harmon - DT Oregon
Good compilation for options at 17.
I lean towards Booker, Jackson, and Warren as favorites, assuming Tee is gone. If Tee is re-signed with the Bengals, I would replace Warren with edge threats, Pearce and Carter, in that order.
Bengals need to first address the trenches, I have high hope for Jenkins and think Jackson will be a nice rotational piece, before looking for more flash.
I think a sleeper might be the Bengals going after a pass rushing LB to play the "viper" role Golden utilized at ND who is not currently on the roster. Maybe some could argue it is Battle's role to lose, but Golden seems to look for more size at the position.
https://charlieschalkboard.substack.com/p/a-crash-course-in-al-goldens-system
The “viper” position is most closely connected to former Michigan defensive coordinator Don Brown, who deployed linebacker/nickel/safety types in Jabrill Peppers and Josh Metellus at this hybrid position.
Golden borrowed from that at Notre Dame but put his own spin on it.
Similar to Michigan’s viper position, Golden’s viper was a do-it-all chess piece. He rushed the passer around the edge, dropped back in coverage and lined up in a lot of different players. But while Brown’s vipers were closer to defensive backs, Golden’s vipers were closer to defensive ends. They typically were about 6-foot-4 and around 250 pounds, and they were typically Golden’s most productive sack guys.
The viper was a part of Golden’s base defense, and the role highlighted the best athlete at the line of scrimmage.
“How dynamic would that be if we had that guy in our defense that can rush the passer on the first third down but on the next third down we’re in a different look and he’s moving around and we can blitz?” Golden said.
That was the idea.
The viper still did a fair share of dropping back in coverage, and viper Boubacar Traore had a pick six last season on a play where he simulated a pressure, dropped back and kept his eyes on the quarterback.
The size and speed of Golden’s vipers, “rovers” (another speciality position) and all of his defensive end/outside linebackers pops off the tape. In position battles, he seemed to prioritize those traits over experience.
Traore was Notre Dame’s best pass rusher before he got hurt, and he was a freshman. Bryce Young, who’s 6-foot-7, burst onto the scene during the second half of the season. Sophomore Jaylen Sneed also brought some impressive athleticism to the line of scrimmage.
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(Yesterday, 05:54 PM)FormerlyBengalRugby Wrote: Good compilation for options at 17.
I lean towards Booker, Jackson, and Warren as favorites, assuming Tee is gone. If Tee is re-signed with the Bengals, I would replace Warren with edge threats, Pearce and Carter, in that order.
Bengals need to first address the trenches, I have high hope for Jenkins and think Jackson will be a nice rotational piece, before looking for more flash.
I think a sleeper might be the Bengals going after a pass rushing LB to play the "viper" role Golden utilized at ND who is not currently on the roster. Maybe some could argue it is Battle's role to lose, but Golden seems to look for more size at the position.
https://charlieschalkboard.substack.com/p/a-crash-course-in-al-goldens-system
The “viper” position is most closely connected to former Michigan defensive coordinator Don Brown, who deployed linebacker/nickel/safety types in Jabrill Peppers and Josh Metellus at this hybrid position.
Golden borrowed from that at Notre Dame but put his own spin on it.
Similar to Michigan’s viper position, Golden’s viper was a do-it-all chess piece. He rushed the passer around the edge, dropped back in coverage and lined up in a lot of different players. But while Brown’s vipers were closer to defensive backs, Golden’s vipers were closer to defensive ends. They typically were about 6-foot-4 and around 250 pounds, and they were typically Golden’s most productive sack guys.
The viper was a part of Golden’s base defense, and the role highlighted the best athlete at the line of scrimmage.
“How dynamic would that be if we had that guy in our defense that can rush the passer on the first third down but on the next third down we’re in a different look and he’s moving around and we can blitz?” Golden said.
That was the idea.
The viper still did a fair share of dropping back in coverage, and viper Boubacar Traore had a pick six last season on a play where he simulated a pressure, dropped back and kept his eyes on the quarterback.
The size and speed of Golden’s vipers, “rovers” (another speciality position) and all of his defensive end/outside linebackers pops off the tape. In position battles, he seemed to prioritize those traits over experience.
Traore was Notre Dame’s best pass rusher before he got hurt, and he was a freshman. Bryce Young, who’s 6-foot-7, burst onto the scene during the second half of the season. Sophomore Jaylen Sneed also brought some impressive athleticism to the line of scrimmage.
Do the Ravens use Kyle Hamilton (from ND) in that role? Great stuff, as a fan I saw the results but never really put together how he did it.
2024 may go on record as one of most underperforming teams in Bengal history. Bengal's FO has major work to do on defensive side of the ball. I say tag and trade Tee Higgins in 2025 to start with the rebuild.
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(Yesterday, 07:37 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Do the Ravens use Kyle Hamilton (from ND) in that role? Great stuff, as a fan I saw the results but never really put together how he did it.
No. That role is Kyle Van Noy, David Ojabo, Oweh Odafe. It's just a stand up rush 43 end. Trey Hendrickson and Sam Hubbard both played it at a high rate this year.
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Mine currently is...
1.Abdul Carter/Edge/Penn St.
2.Travis Hunter/CB-WR/Colorado
3.Tetairoa McMillan/WR/Arizona
4.Mason Graham/DT/Michigan
5.Ashton Jeanty/RB/Boise St.
6.Kenneth Grant/DT/Michigan
7.Malaki Starks/S/Georgia
8.Colston Loveland/TE/Michigan
9.Will Johnson/CB/Michigan
10.Kelvin Banks/T/Texas
11.Tyler Warren/TE/Penn St.
12.James Pearce Jr./Edge/Tennessee
13.Jalon Walker/LB/Georgia
14.Derrick Harmon/DT/Oregon
15.Nick Scourton/Edge/Texas A&M
16.Emeka Egbuka/WR/OSU
17.Shemar Stewart/DT/Texas A&M
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I would pur Sharon Revel CB East Carolina, Jahdae Barron CB Texas, and Jihaad Campbell LB for consideration at 17.
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