Synric's Senior Bowl Mock

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(01-31-2025, 07:24 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Ossai did seem to turn it on a bit. However, since he switched agents to David Muhgaleta, I am quite doubtful that he's even interested in re-signing with the Bengals. He likely took the drafting of Myles Murphy as a personal front, and would rather leave than fight for the position.

Other young guys like Dayo Odeyingbo and Osa Odighizuwa in FA who we could get to replace him.

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(02-01-2025, 10:31 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I liked Stewart when he had a 2nd RD Grade, but I assumed he'd soar during the pre-draft process. Less of a fan taking him at 16. I feel his strength will be setting the edge in the ground game. He could also move inside on "rush" packages. 

Left Defensive End in a 4-3 Defense needs to be a great run defender especially playing in the AFC North against heavy personnel teams like the Steeler's and Raven's 2 and even 3 TE sets. Stewart is an easy projection into Sam Hubbard's spot playing anywhere from 4i-9 wide. As for pass rush his skill set as a power rusher is needed on the front side against a player like Lamar Jackson. Being able to push the pocket while staying in rush lanes.

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(02-01-2025, 03:36 PM)pulses Wrote: Nope and he's doing this against imostly average OL not against good nfl talent too.

The clips from the Senior Bowl is mostly vs Arizona OT Jonah Savaiinaea and LSU OT Emery Jones. During the season Shemar Stwart had good games vs both Will Campbell and Kelvin Banks. 

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(02-01-2025, 12:38 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Long way of saying, "We hope he becomes something, but he wasn't much in college!" 

Shemar Stewart's draft profile isn't much different than Michigan NT Kenneth Grant or Ole Miss DT Walter Nolen.


21 years old much better run defenders than pass rushers. After watching Nolen at the Senior Bowl struggle to create separation with his hands (against FCS guys like Sax State's Jackson Slater) I would put Stewart above him and Grant.

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(02-02-2025, 04:28 AM)Synric Wrote: Shemar Stewart's draft profile isn't much different than Michigan NT Kenneth Grant or Ole Miss DT Walter Nolen.


21 years old much better run defenders than pass rushers. After watching Nolen at the Senior Bowl struggle to create separation with his hands (against FCS guys like Sax State's Jackson Slater) I would put Stewart above him and Grant.

Stewart doesn't have near the upside that Nolen has. I think drafting an elite pass rusher in the 1st is more important than a run stuffing DE which we can get in the mid rounds.

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(02-02-2025, 04:28 AM)Synric Wrote: Shemar Stewart's draft profile isn't much different than Michigan NT Kenneth Grant or Ole Miss DT Walter Nolen.


21 years old much better run defenders than pass rushers. After watching Nolen at the Senior Bowl struggle to create separation with his hands (against FCS guys like Sax State's Jackson Slater) I would put Stewart above him and Grant.

Draft profile may not be too different but Nolen had 11.5 sacks vs Stewart's 4.5, both across 3 years.
Grant is probably closer in terms of lower college production but higher NFL ceiling due to size+athletic profile.

Stewart though, to me, is one who will be slotted at DE whereas Nolen and Grant will be DTs.
It's expected (at least by me) that a DE taken in Rd 1 should be a 6+ sack a year guy out of the gate and a double-digit sack guy at the pinnacle of their career.
DTs it's closer to ~3-5 early and ~6-8 at peak, for me.

I know I'm a scrub, but I don't put as much stock into Senior Bowl practices as some do. You're going into an environment with coaches and players you aren't familiar with. Some players don't adapt as immediately as some others do and need more time to get settled in than just a few days.

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(02-02-2025, 08:42 AM)pulses Wrote: Stewart doesn't have near the upside that Nolen has. I think drafting an elite pass rusher in the 1st is more important than a run stuffing DE which we can get in the mid rounds.

Stewart has great upside, being compared to the likes of Walker and Clowney.
Both those guys went 1st overall for a reason.

Problem with Stewart is, for one reason or another, didn't get the production most 1st round draft picks typically have in college, so teams will have to study and analyze the specific snaps and movements even closer to assess if the problems were because of his problems or the team/situation around him.

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(02-02-2025, 04:28 AM)Synric Wrote: Shemar Stewart's draft profile isn't much different than Michigan NT Kenneth Grant or Ole Miss DT Walter Nolen.


21 years old much better run defenders than pass rushers. After watching Nolen at the Senior Bowl struggle to create separation with his hands (against FCS guys like Sax State's Jackson Slater) I would put Stewart above him and Grant.

Of course Grant is about 40-50 lbs heavier than either SS or WN. 

Grant is a bigger, more athletic DJ Reeder. 

How many 340+ DTs can do this:

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(02-02-2025, 02:34 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Of course Grant is about 40-50 lbs heavier than either SS or WN. 

Grant is a bigger, more athletic DJ Reeder. 

How many 340+ DTs can do this:

Grant is another DJ Reader and you don't draft those players in the 1st round when you need pass rushers more. This class is loaded with run stuffing DT's later on.

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(02-02-2025, 05:19 PM)pulses Wrote: Grant is another DJ Reader and you don't draft those players in the 1st round when you need pass rushers more. This class is loaded with run stuffing DT's later on.

And there's pass rushers later in the draft. It comes down to value.

But as to the posted you quoted I was just asserting Grant should be lumped in with the smaller dudes  

If you can guarantee me a DJ Reeder for the next 5-years on a rookie deal; I'll take that at 17.

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(02-02-2025, 04:20 AM)Synric Wrote: Left Defensive End in a 4-3 Defense needs to be a great run defender especially playing in the AFC North..

But do we really play a 4-3?  When I look at the last year, the Bengal's run offense is clearly worse than their run or pass defense or the passing offense (of course).  The problem with the run defense and run offense is the short-yardage game.  The Bengals give up a lot of running 1st downs for a team with "mid" overall run defense.  I am not sure that a power defensive end is the best approach to improving the run defense.  I'm much more interested in a very athletic end and a hoss or two in the middle for short yardage.  The hosses who could still be there on early Day 3 include CJ West or Walker. The late day 3 picks I like are Pegues or Jamaree Caldwell.

edit: OK I see now how our new DC wants to play a 4-3.  It makes a NT even more important and a LB who blitzes well.  I guess we can expect to see Pratt coming back as well.. and we'll see more man and less zone. {take deep breaths, take deep breaths}

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Mullings in the fifth could be a diamond in the rough situation. He is a former LB and has some serious speed to go along with size. Very atypical, but a straight forward runner which I think is what Burrow would benefit most from.

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(02-03-2025, 03:12 AM)DYT_Bengal Wrote: Mullings in the fifth could be a diamond in the rough situation. He is a former LB and has some serious speed to go along with size. Very atypical, but a straight forward runner which I think is what Burrow would benefit most from.

Mullings is a 4.6 guy I hardly consider that serious speed but I like him but their are other bigger backs I like better who actually have 4.4 speed.

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(02-02-2025, 07:58 PM)bfine32 Wrote: And there's pass rushers later in the draft. It comes down to value.

But as to the posted you quoted I was just asserting Grant should be lumped in with the smaller dudes  

If you can guarantee me a DJ Reeder for the next 5-years on a rookie deal; I'll take that at 17.

Glad you're not making our picks.

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(02-03-2025, 04:46 AM)pulses Wrote: Glad you're not making our picks.

But I am, I made it last year on the Sirius Fan Mock (Troy Fautanu) and plan to make it again this year. 

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(02-02-2025, 07:58 PM)bfine32 Wrote: And there's pass rushers later in the draft. It comes down to value.

But as to the posted you quoted I was just asserting Grant should be lumped in with the smaller dudes  

If you can guarantee me a DJ Reeder for the next 5-years on a rookie deal; I'll take that at 17.

Yeah, Grant is a NT who's already an elite run stuffer and has the athletic ability to be a talented pass rusher, as well.  If he doesn't develop as a pass rusher, he's still worth it due to NT being so key to the run defense.  If Stewart doesn't develop as a pass rusher, he's not going to be worth it, as even a run stuffing edge still needs to be able to rush the QB.

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(02-03-2025, 03:42 PM)Whatever Wrote: Yeah, Grant is a NT who's already an elite run stuffer and has the athletic ability to be a talented pass rusher, as well.  If he doesn't develop as a pass rusher, he's still worth it due to NT being so key to the run defense.  If Stewart doesn't develop as a pass rusher, he's not going to be worth it, as even a run stuffing edge still needs to be able to rush the QB.

I wouldn't take Stewart at 17 either......need pass rushers early

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(02-03-2025, 03:42 PM)Whatever Wrote: Yeah, Grant is a NT who's already an elite run stuffer and has the athletic ability to be a talented pass rusher, as well.  If he doesn't develop as a pass rusher, he's still worth it due to NT being so key to the run defense.  If Stewart doesn't develop as a pass rusher, he's not going to be worth it, as even a run stuffing edge still needs to be able to rush the QB.

I'm sold on Jordan Burch for someone in the Stewart mold. 

1-Grant
2-Burch

We could do worse. 

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(02-03-2025, 05:36 PM)pulses Wrote: I wouldn't take Stewart at 17 either......need pass rushers early

Thr Bengals desperately need a Left Defensive End to replace 70% of the defensive snaps taken by Sam Hubbard. Completely Different.

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(02-02-2025, 04:20 AM)Synric Wrote: Left Defensive End in a 4-3 Defense needs to be a great run defender especially playing in the AFC North against heavy personnel teams like the Steeler's and Raven's 2 and even 3 TE sets. Stewart is an easy projection into Sam Hubbard's spot playing anywhere from 4i-9 wide. As for pass rush his skill set as a power rusher is needed on the front side against a player like Lamar Jackson. Being able to push the pocket while staying in rush lanes.

Not being snarky, just actually curious and know you look (way) more into prospects than most...
How often are strong side run-stopping DEs taken in Rd 1?

I feel like it's not very often.