Rapien - Bengals Must Tag Tee Higgins

[pulses]

(02-17-2025, 07:13 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: here is the problem, tell me how we are better than this year with these deals ?, we need to spend a good amount in other areas also, if Burrow restructures can't we use it also in areas of greater need. 

He doesn't need to restructure I guess you can't READ !

[Destro]

And if he refuses to sign the tag, what then?

[pulses]

(02-18-2025, 12:36 AM)Destro Wrote: And if he refuses to sign the tag, what then?

He'll have to sit out the whole season and not get shit and then they'll tag him again the next season.

[Bengalbug]

(02-18-2025, 12:36 AM)Destro Wrote: And if he refuses to sign the tag, what then?

He will come out and say that publicly very quickly if that is the case

[007BengalsFan]

(02-15-2025, 11:53 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote:

The Bengals are on hook for the LEAST amount of money for players that aren't the QB.

In. The. Entire. League.

They can pay EVERYONE and add others. https://t.co/M8CEx9QWgt

— Goodberry (@JoeGoodberry) February 16, 2025

I just saw this and thought it was relevant.

Goodberry is aware QB pay is part of the total salary cap isnt he?  Why would he leave out Burrow's huge hit on the total salary cap?  You cant just ignore that part of the salary cap because you have an agenda.  

The Bengals have a couple of free agents in Higgins and Hill they need to replace or re-sign just to get back to last years 9-8 team talent level.  According to over the cap the Bengals effective cap space is about 43 million.  If they were to give Higgins 30 million, that would leave just 13 million for Chase and Hendrickson's raise/extension.  Jamarr's 5th year option will pay him 21.8 million.  If you gave JaMarr the full 13 million cap left, that would pay him 34.8 million this year when Chase will want 35+ million on average.  In this scenario Trey Hendrickson gets no raise and BJ is gone with no replacement.  I hope Burrow, Chase and Higgins can score 50 points a game or play defensive if they are going to take up that much total cap space.

[puddycat]

(02-17-2025, 10:06 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: It's nice to get excited about the possibilities of what the Bengals could net for Tee, but keep in mind the fact that they also know about his injury history.

My bad not being clear with the two firsts.  I wasn't taking about a tag and trade.  I was talking about a tag and another team offering him more in which case the two firsts is the price.

[NUGDUKWE]

(02-18-2025, 01:02 AM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Goodberry is aware QB pay is part of the total salary cap isnt he?  Why would he leave out Burrow's huge hit on the total salary cap?  You cant just ignore that part of the salary cap because you have an agenda.  

The Bengals have a couple of free agents in Higgins and Hill they need to replace or re-sign just to get back to last years 9-8 team talent level.  According to over the cap the Bengals effective cap space is about 43 million.  If they were to give Higgins 30 million, that would leave just 13 million for Chase and Hendrickson's raise/extension.  Jamarr's 5th year option will pay him 21.8 million.  If you gave JaMarr the full 13 million cap left, that would pay him 34.8 million this year when Chase will want 35+ million on average.  In this scenario Trey Hendrickson gets no raise and BJ is gone with no replacement.  I hope Burrow, Chase and Higgins can score 50 points a game or play defensive if they are going to take up that much total cap space.

I don't have the best understanding of the salary cap and all the ways it can be manipulated. But it's clear to me reading your post that you don't have a very good understanding. 

[*Synric*]

(02-17-2025, 09:58 PM)puddycat Wrote: Two firsts is a very high price, but it's a much better price if you are a playoff team looking to get over the hump.  A few teams come to mind:

Buffalo: Always looking for another WR1, but they are in cap hell and really to need to spend on defense.  However, their pick this year is 30 and the most recent was Kincaid at 25.
Rams: Affordable if they move on from Cooper Kupp, very few round 1 picks in recent years but pick 23 average in last 2 years.
Washington:  Assuming they aren't in the Miles Garrett sweepstakes (or they don't happen), they will have a QB under a rookie contract for 4 more years.  Higgins is the kind of payer that would complement McLaurin and has the toughness they look for.  After picking at 2 for Jayden Daniels, they are picking at 29 this year..  I expect them to have another winning season next year although they are in the same division as Philli, so a pick in the 20s.
Chargers: Lots of cap space.  Need a a true #1 and RZ target. They took Joe Alt at 6 and pick 22 this year.  How confident are they in a division with the Chiefs and a rising Denver team to commit next year's pick?
Steelers: Lots of cap space for team looking to add to Pickens as a head-case #1.  It would have a bonus of taking a WR away from the Bengals. OTOH, the Steelers love their draft picks. No one knows more than Bengals fans that the Steelers rarely have losing records; their pick this year is 21 and last year was 20.

Solid list. I would subtract Buffalo, Steelers, Chargers.

1. Steelers are heavy build through the draft they would never give up two 1st round picks.
2. Buffalo just took Keon Coleman last year. Similar receiver to Tee going into his sophomore season.
3. Chargers is more of an opinion for me. I think they target a heavy play action weapon (Warren, Loveland) or DL with Mack gone, both NTs free agents, and Joey Bosa always injured.


The Rams are interesting but still two firsts for Tee is a hard sell. Now one late round first or a high second + another pick definitely.

[*Synric*]

If they sign both Tee and Ja'Marr I wonder at the structure.

If they do the Chase contract like Burrow's they could keep the first couple of cap hits below and at 20m ish. Tee would be a 3 year deal with thr 3rd used as an option year.

[XenoMorph]

(02-14-2025, 07:18 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Because they are cheap. 

If they would have extended Chase & Hendrickson last year and inked Tee, just think how much cheaper those deals eould have been? 

No way Higgins gets $35 last year, he could have been had for $25, easy. And Chase & Trey ate gonna be at least $5 mil more each. 

That's at least $20 mil. That is a Pro Bowl/All Pro level G. Or darn close to that at DE/CB. 

35$ mil a year is way to much for a #2 WR

[George Cantstandya]

Today (Feb 18th) is now the first day they can tag him if they are going that route. They have until 4 PM March 4th.

[*ochocincos*]

(02-18-2025, 12:27 PM)George Cantstandya Wrote: Today (Feb 18th) is now the first day they can tag him if they are going that route. They have until 4 PM March 4th.

I would hope they don't use the tag until the last day, just in case they can actually get the long-term deal done before that and could use the tag for someone else.
Only caveat being I don't know who else would be worthy of the tag, so may be no reason to wait until 3/4.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(02-18-2025, 12:35 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I would hope they don't use the tag until the last day, just in case they can actually get the long-term deal done before that and could use the tag for someone else.
Only caveat being I don't know who else would be worthy of the tag, so may be no reason to wait until 3/4.

It takes these people a long time to get a deal done from what we have seen lately. I would just tag him and work on the deal later as like you 
say there is no one else worthy of the Tag but Tee.

[007BengalsFan]

(02-18-2025, 02:29 AM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I don't have the best understanding of the salary cap and all the ways it can be manipulated. But it's clear to me reading your post that you don't have a very good understanding. 

Its not hard to understand.  You have a limited amount of dollars to spend every year.  You can push a larger percentage of a contract to later years but even those later years have a limited amount of dollars available.  At some point you have to pay the Piper.  

[NUGDUKWE]

(02-18-2025, 06:57 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Its not hard to understand.  You have a limited amount of dollars to spend every year.  You can push a larger percentage of a contract to later years but even those later years have a limited amount of dollars available.  At some point you have to pay the Piper.  

Yes but I think it's that line of thinking that has got the Bengals into the state that they are in right now. They need to start paying the talent they have and make it work in the future. Another graphic I saw immediately following the superbowl was how the Bengals are at the bottom of the league in dead money at like 13 mil while the Eagles had 50 mil more at 63mil. After this season of wasting the offense I don't want to know we could've done more only to watch it be wasted. It seems like the Bengals may get the big 3 extended I just hope we don't stop there and get some of our remaining guys as well as 2-3 free agents. 

[Nepa]

(02-18-2025, 01:02 AM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Goodberry is aware QB pay is part of the total salary cap isnt he?  Why would he leave out Burrow's huge hit on the total salary cap?  You cant just ignore that part of the salary cap because you have an agenda.  

The Bengals have a couple of free agents in Higgins and Hill they need to replace or re-sign just to get back to last years 9-8 team talent level.  According to over the cap the Bengals effective cap space is about 43 million.  If they were to give Higgins 30 million, that would leave just 13 million for Chase and Hendrickson's raise/extension.  Jamarr's 5th year option will pay him 21.8 million.  If you gave JaMarr the full 13 million cap left, that would pay him 34.8 million this year when Chase will want 35+ million on average.  In this scenario Trey Hendrickson gets no raise and BJ is gone with no replacement.  I hope Burrow, Chase and Higgins can score 50 points a game or play defensive if they are going to take up that much total cap space.

I confess ignorance on the salary cap, but looking at the chart it seems that even with Burrow's big hit, the Bengals still are 26th down on the list (and one of the teams below them, Pittsburgh, doesn't even have any QB hit listed). It certainly seems that one could read the chart as the Bengals having a lot of flexibility, which should increase as they cut players. And wouldn't Chase and Hendrickson already be listed in the chart, since they have a year left on their contracts? It would appear the Bengals were in better shape than most any team.

[Ell Prez]

(02-18-2025, 06:57 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Its not hard to understand.  You have a limited amount of dollars to spend every year.  You can push a larger percentage of a contract to later years but even those later years have a limited amount of dollars available.  At some point you have to pay the Piper.  

Not when the cap raises every year, you can restructure, you can cut, trade.

[*ochocincos*]

(02-18-2025, 06:57 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Its not hard to understand.  You have a limited amount of dollars to spend every year.  You can push a larger percentage of a contract to later years but even those later years have a limited amount of dollars available.  At some point you have to pay the Piper.  

True. but you could just Bobby Bonilla a contract with so many voided years that it basically is minimal cost in subsequent years.

[QueenCity]

Not going to make it's own thread but rumor is Chase wants 40 Mill a year lol

What a huge mistake not giving what he wanted last season.

[BFritz21]

(02-18-2025, 12:37 AM)pulses Wrote: He'll have to sit out the whole season and not get shit and then they'll tag him again the next season.

Don't we get compensation if he doesn't sign? 

I'm hoping they go tag-and-trade and maybe sign Godwin in free agency or someone else when teams start cutting players.