“Kick the Tires” on Proven Performers

[J24]

(02-19-2025, 03:11 PM)ochocincos Wrote: They may, but here's what I expect...

Bengals wait to cut these guys until after the draft in case they can't get replacements they like.
They cut one/both of them and use the argument that the freed up cap can go toward an extension of someone like Chase, Hendrickson, or Higgins.

Their going to cut those guys before the new year starts in march. They are not going to wait until the draft to make those cuts.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(02-19-2025, 03:20 PM)J24 Wrote: Their going to cut those guys before the new year starts in march. They are not going to wait until the draft to make those cuts.

Need to bring in FA's for sure and that takes money. Cut the players that bring us nothing that are costing us a lot of dough period.

Those players are Rankins, Cappa, Stone and even maybe Hubbard.

[Luvnit2]

(02-19-2025, 03:11 PM)ochocincos Wrote: They may, but here's what I expect...

Bengals wait to cut these guys until after the draft in case they can't get replacements they like.
They cut one/both of them and use the argument that the freed up cap can go toward an extension of someone like Chase, Hendrickson, or Higgins.

I don't disagree with waiting to cut any of them until we see who we sign in FA. I do believe if we sign a replacement for them, to free up cap dollars we can cut them prior to the draft. Who knows, maybe one of them has trade value? Pratt for sure.

If we do wait to cut them until after the draft, it makes it harder for them to find a job in 2025. Bengals normally act professionally, so I think any cuts they make, they annoiunce during FA period and before. the draft.

[*ochocincos*]

(02-19-2025, 03:20 PM)J24 Wrote: Their going to cut those guys before the new year starts in march. They are not going to wait until the draft to make those cuts.

You know that for sure? Or you speculating?
Sounds like speculation.

[Luvnit2]

(02-19-2025, 03:30 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Need to bring in FA's for sure and that takes money. Cut the players that bring us nothing that are costing us a lot of dough period.

Those players are Rankins, Cappa, Stone and even maybe Hubbard.

Moss is also expensive for a backup RB. Herbert would be cheaper in my opinion and comparably talent wise. But Moss may make more sense to cut after the draft. I could see us drafting a RB in round 3 if Judkins or Henderson is available. Even the RB from Iowa Johnson or who knows Hampton may slide down as well.

[J24]

(02-19-2025, 03:32 PM)ochocincos Wrote: You know that for sure? Or you speculating?
Sounds like speculation.

Its common sense Ocho!

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(02-19-2025, 03:33 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Moss is also expensive for a backup RB. Herbert would be cheaper in my opinion and comparably talent wise. But Moss may make more sense to cut after the draft. I could see us drafting a RB in round 3 if Judkins or Henderson is available. Even the RB from Iowa Johnson or who knows Hampton may slide down as well.

Oh yeah, forgot about Zack Moss, need to cut him as well and bring back Khalil as you say. 

Herbert is just a better runner than Moss and we saw it in the last game against the stealers. Makes sense to wait till we got a decent 
talent in the Draft before cutting Moss. I also like Johnson, Judkins, Henderson, Hampton or my guy Skattebo.

[*ochocincos*]

(02-19-2025, 03:35 PM)J24 Wrote: Its common sense Ocho!

You'd think that, but we've seen the Bengals not do things (or do things) that wasn't what we all thought would have made sense.

[pulses]

(02-19-2025, 03:33 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Moss is also expensive for a backup RB. Herbert would be cheaper in my opinion and comparably talent wise. But Moss may make more sense to cut after the draft. I could see us drafting a RB in round 3 if Judkins or Henderson is available. Even the RB from Iowa Johnson or who knows Hampton may slide down as well.

I don't see them spending a high pick on a RB. Probably 5th or 6th round IMO. Maybe the 4th if someone they loved was there.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(02-19-2025, 03:32 PM)ochocincos Wrote: You know that for sure? Or you speculating?
Sounds like speculation.

-They released Nick Scott and traded Joe Mixon on March 13th last year.
-In 2022 they released Trey Hopkins on March 18th, Trae Waynes on March 21st, and Fred Johnson on March 22nd.
-In 2021 they released Geno Atkins and Bobby Hart on March 19th and Giovani Bernard on April 7th.
-In 2020 they released Cordy Glenn on March 13th, John Miller and BW Webb on March 18th, and Dre Kirkpatrick on March 31st.... of course then they waited to release Andy Dalton until after the draft April 30th because they already benched him on his Birthday the year before, so what's another kick while he's down?
-In 2019 they released Vontaze Burfict on March 18th.


All those people in the Taylor era (besides Dalton, because F him apparently) were released well before the draft. It's generally considered "good form" to release players early enough that they have a chance at signing with other teams while everyone still has cap space left before they spend most of it in FA.

[*ochocincos*]

(Yesterday, 07:37 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: -They released Nick Scott and traded Joe Mixon on March 13th last year.
-In 2022 they released Trey Hopkins on March 18th, Trae Waynes on March 21st, and Fred Johnson on March 22nd.
-In 2021 they released Geno Atkins and Bobby Hart on March 19th and Giovani Bernard on April 7th.
-In 2020 they released Cordy Glenn on March 13th, John Miller and BW Webb on March 18th, and Dre Kirkpatrick on March 31st.... of course then they waited to release Andy Dalton until after the draft April 30th because they already benched him on his Birthday the year before, so what's another kick while he's down?
-In 2019 they released Vontaze Burfict on March 18th.


All those people in the Taylor era (besides Dalton, because F him apparently) were released well before the draft. It's generally considered "good form" to release players early enough that they have a chance at signing with other teams while everyone still has cap space left before they spend most of it in FA.

My point though is there have been no reports from reporters of the Bengals planning to release anyone.
Until we hear from someone actually closer to the Bengals, it's all speculation at this point.

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 10:25 AM)ochocincos Wrote: My point though is there have been no reports from reporters of the Bengals planning to release anyone.
Until we hear from someone actually closer to the Bengals, it's all speculation at this point.

When have they before? Everyone knows that the Bengals don't allow any news of their intentions getting to any media sources until the move is actually made.

[ERIC1]

(02-17-2025, 02:32 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: I’m done with “reclamation projects,” “potential stars,” and “can’t miss” players.

+++

Whatever the Cincinnati Bengals do via free agency, trades, and the draft, the Front Office needs to look at players with proven ability.  This means “kicking the tires” on established performers like Micah Parsons, Myles Garrett, Amari Cooper, Budda Baker, Zack Martin and Mekhi Becton.* In the draft the Front Office needs to consider players from winning programs like Ohio State, Notre Dame, Oregon, Texas, and the top teams in the SEC.

The Bengals have only three great performers who are definitely returning for 2025:  Joe Burrow, Ja’Marr Chase, and Chase Brown.  Tee Higgins and Trey Hendrickson may end up elsewhere.  Burrow, Chase, and Brown will need to be surrounded by quality starters or the Bengals risk missing the playoffs for a third consecutive year.  

*I am NOT suggesting looking at these players specifically, just players of this caliber.

and the bengals have "kicked those tires"  and it has not turned out so well many times..the bengals need to kick the tires and get a better scouting department

[ERIC1]

(02-17-2025, 02:42 PM)CJD Wrote: There's a proven performer in free agency that I really hope we sign.

He's a 26 year old WR named Tee Higgins. I think he and Joe Burrow will work very well together.

and a proven performer that misses a significant number of games due to injury

[Whatever]

(Yesterday, 11:21 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: When have they before? Everyone knows that the Bengals don't allow any news of their intentions getting to any media sources until the move is actually made.

Even the draft leaks to Lapham have been shut down since Zac arrived.

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 11:35 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: and the bengals have "kicked those tires"  and it has not turned out so well many times..the bengals need to kick the tires and get a better scouting department

I know that we all wish the Bengals had a larger scouting department, one at least up to "average" for an NFL franchise. However, there is another part of the equation that must ask, are the people making the decisions on the draft selections even truly following the recommendations of the scouts and coaching staff? How often do Duke and Mike just go rogue because they've got "a good feeling" about some player?

It's really impossible to know the absolute truth, as the Bengals are so secretive about every littlest thing they do. Yeah, we occasionally hear a little tidbit about what actually transpired in the war room, several years down the line.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(12-11-2024, 11:51 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: tee Higgins the often injured player that drops easy passes is not going to get us a 1st rounder

(12-28-2024, 04:23 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: I can promise you any good team in the nfl is having concerns about higgins chronic injury issues

(01-05-2025, 01:14 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: I am not a fan of paying Higgins 23 million a year..but I doubt he "quit"..that's silly..Tee is injury prone

(01-31-2025, 11:16 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: would not sign Higgins to a massive contract   1) he is injury prone..2) money needs to be spent elsewhere

(02-05-2025, 10:16 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: dude ..you simply cannot pay a number 2 receiver  that is chronically hurt 25 million a year..there are a lotta whatta ifs in sports...

(Yesterday, 11:11 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: and a wide receiver that misses a significant amount of games due to injury

(Yesterday, 11:36 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: and a proven performer that misses a significant number of games due to injury

Just put it in an sig at this point.

[*rfaulk34*]

(02-18-2025, 02:28 PM)Whatever Wrote: That's great, but there are a number of people drafted since then that are better, but just haven't logged enough years to beat his cumulative stats, not to mention guys that were better when he started, but have since retired or fallen off sharply.  

Cumulative as we go. 

2020-2024 17TH YDS 13TH TDS
2021-2024 21ST YDS 12TH TDS
2022-2024 27TH YDS 12TH TDS
2023-2024 36TH YDS 13TH TDS
2024 28TH YDS 7TH TDS

As always, the issue is games played. When healthy, he's easily a top 15-18 WR. 

If we break it down to games started and YPG it looks like this.

2020-2024 (gs) 62 (12.4 p/y), (ypg) 18th (65.6)
2021-2024 (gs) 48 (12 p/y), (ypg) 13th (68.3)
2022-2024 (gs) 34 (11.3 p/y), (ypg) 17th (64.9)
2023-2024 (gs) 20 (10 p/y), (ypg) 20th (65.3)
2024 (gs) 9 (9 p/y), (ypg) 9th (75.9)

His production holds strong, and actually took a jump this year, but as the years progress he plays less and less games per year on average. 

[*ochocincos*]

(Yesterday, 11:21 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: When have they before? Everyone knows that the Bengals don't allow any news of their intentions getting to any media sources until the move is actually made.

We've heard before in years past (albeit some being same day/week) that org plans to move on from said guy.

We (or I) haven't heard anything about that yet for anyone.

[*ochocincos*]

(Yesterday, 12:03 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Just put it in an sig at this point.

Wait, you're telling me Tee Higgins had injuries?