Franchise tag

[THE PISTONS]

(Yesterday, 02:10 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Fair, but isn't the tag amount divided by 17 games and thus every game they sit out, they lose out on a portion of that money?
So like if a tag is $30 mill and they only played in 8 games, they would only end up getting $14.12 mill?

Maybe I'm different because I'm not obviously in the NFL, but I would think most players would see the tag as about as good as they'd get on a year-to-year basis and just play most or all of the year to get that full amount, then roll into FA (or next tag)?

I feel like if you lose about half the amount of the tag, the likelihood of that next contract may not quite make up for the 9 games or so you sat out while playing on the tag.

The tag makes a lot of players mad as it is one year and no large guaranteed multi-year money.

But, yes...to us normal people it seems great.

Unfortunately for Trey, he's on the wrong side of 30. They can hold him hostage with the tag until he's about 33/34. And they've shown they'd do it too.

[Sled21]

(Yesterday, 09:02 AM)CJD Wrote: Trey's options, at this point:

1. Sign a team friendly contract that will probably give him ~28 to 30 million per year of new money in either a 2 or 3 year extension, with only the 1st year of that extension, and maybe a few more million in the later years, guaranteed.

2. Play on his current contract and hit free agency next year, in which case the Bengals will franchise tag him and then repeat the process.

3. Retire.

He isn't going to be traded unless someone blows the Bengals doors off with an offer. He isn't going to get a 36M AAV contract for 4 years or anything like that. He is currently under contract for 15.8M this year. The 2026 franchise tag for defensive ends is projected to be approximately 26.5M. The 2027 franchise tag would then likely be 120% of that number, or 31.8M.

So the Bengals have his age 30, age 31 and age 32 seasons under complete control, with nothing he can do about it other than talk to the media or retire, at a rate of 3 years, 74.1M, with no guarantees beyond each off season (if his play declines, they can just not tag him and owe him nothing because he's a "free agent" after each season).

So why on Earth would the Bengals go beyond that number?

There is value to a player being happy in his situation, but this agent has screwed up so many times, I feel like all that good will is gone. In the last 3 off seasons, Trey signed an extension at his agent's behest, requested a trade and threatened retirement, and then requested a trade and threatened retirement again. 

Only an insane person requests a new contract 1 season after they just got a new contract. What guarantee would the Bengals have, even if they extended him this off season, that he wouldn't demand a new contract next off season?

Trey has turned this relationship into a transaction by following his garbage agent's advice to go to the media every off season and now he's paying the consequences.

And if he said he was going to retire, when he comes back the Bengals still own his rights. 

[ERIC1]

this is a great city to live in as Trey has stated..You pay me 15-16 million a year to play the game of football..Ill sign a ten year deal

[ERIC1]

(Yesterday, 03:17 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: The tag makes a lot of players mad as it is one year and no large guaranteed multi-year money.

But, yes...to us normal people it seems great.

Unfortunately for Trey, he's on the wrong side of 30. They can hold him hostage with the tag until he's about 33/34. And they've shown they'd do it too.

there is no unfortunate for Trey..he is a multimillionaire many times over..He seems to be a great guy..he loves this town and if he stays injury free will have a wonderful future with his family 

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(3 hours ago)ERIC1 Wrote: this is a great city to live in as Trey has stated..You pay me 15-16 million a year to play the game of football..Ill sign a ten year deal

Do you willingly take 50-60% of the pay your peers get at your job?

[jj22]

I had to stop in to see how in the world this thread made 2 pages.

[Bengalfan4life27c]

Tre is a elite pass rusher he below average run defender. His defensive snap percentage isnt what an elite all pro would want to have either

[ERIC1]

(3 hours ago)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Do you willingly take 50-60% of the pay your peers get at your job?

I was a hospital administrator for many years @ Brighams and Womens Hospital ( Harvard) in Boston..Made great money....   And I did a reasonably good job..but I did honor my contract...I like Trey hope things work out for him

[ERIC1]

(2 hours ago)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: Tre is a elite pass rusher he below average run defender. His defensive snap percentage isnt what an elite all pro would want to have either

agreed..maybe the team sees someone in the draft that will be younger and cheaper

[Sled21]

(2 hours ago)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: Tre is a elite pass rusher he below average run defender. His defensive snap percentage isnt what an elite all pro would want to have either

This was Katie's whole point. The Bengals made him an offer he wasn't happy with. He sees himself as the league leader in sacks (which he is) He does not see WHY he's the league leader in sacks, nor is he acknowledging his status as a run defender nor his age. That's why her statement that he will have to decide for himself what makes him happy. If he's happy with what they offer, he can sign the deal (It's obviously not what he wants, but I bet it's still a lot) or he can play out his existing contract then maybe be tagged or leave. It may seem cold, but it's the truth.