Cincy Bengals Talk - Top Defensive Players Bengals Could Target

[Whatever]

(04-11-2025, 12:30 PM)ochocincos Wrote: That wasn't my concern, actually.

I was arguing that I don't think adding more to the RB room is going to pay off as much because I don't foresee Taylor and Pitcher adjusting the playcalling to really give multiple RBs a good number of touches.
So why take a RB on Day 2 who may get sub-300 touches?
Or if a RB is taken and used a lot, what would that mean for Chase Brown, who did admirably last year once becoming a workhorse?


I know some people want an offense like Detroit has, but they aren't paying nearly as much into their receivers like Bengals are.
ASB is the only pass catcher making >$10 mill APY. LaPorta and JMo are making sub-$6 mill APY each.
If Bengals are going to pay so much for pass catchers, it's expected (or at least I expect) that the offense will be far more pass-heavy than balanced.

I mean, Montgomery didn't get close to 300 touches in Detroit last year.  If 300 touches is your baseline, it seems quite high.

The motivation would be threefold.  First, they feel Brown can be more effective if he's sharing touches and kept fresh.  As the year went on and he took on the cast majority of the carries, the number of big, explosive runs he had diminished drastically.  Second, likely little confidence in Moss/Perrine carrying the load if Brown goes down.  And third, with so much $ in the WR's, paying a RB in a year or two because you didn't draft a replacement could get tough.

[*ochocincos*]

(04-11-2025, 12:52 PM)Whatever Wrote: I mean, Montgomery didn't get close to 300 touches in Detroit last year.  If 300 touches is your baseline, it seems quite high.

The motivation would be threefold.  First, they feel Brown can be more effective if he's sharing touches and kept fresh.  As the year went on and he took on the cast majority of the carries, the number of big, explosive runs he had diminished drastically.  Second, likely little confidence in Moss/Perrine carrying the load if Brown goes down.  And third, with so much $ in the WR's, paying a RB in a year or two because you didn't draft a replacement could get tough.

Sorry, I meant snaps, not touches.

Montgomery had 390 offensive snaps, which accounted for 41% of the snaps in the 14 games he played.

For Bengals, I see Perine getting 200+ snaps for his pass blocking if anything, and I think Brown will easily get 400+ if not 500+ like last year.
I'm just wondering how many snaps that would leave for a rookie RB.

[Whatever]

(04-11-2025, 01:06 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Sorry, I meant snaps, not touches.

Montgomery had 390 offensive snaps, which accounted for 41% of the snaps in the 14 games he played.

For Bengals, I see Perine getting 200+ snaps for his pass blocking if anything, and I think Brown will easily get 400+ if not 500+ like last year.
I'm just wondering how many snaps that would leave for a rookie RB.

The Bengals ran 1080 plays on offense last year, so if Brown gets 500, the rookie gets 300, and Perrine gets 200, that leaves 80 for Moss, empty sets, and change.     I suspect we would we see Brown closer to 400 if we had a highly drafted rookie, though.

Taking one high may also mean they cut Moss and use his cap savings to shore up another area, like G with Dalton Rusher or S with Justin Simmons.

[*ochocincos*]

(04-11-2025, 01:40 PM)Whatever Wrote: The Bengals ran 1080 plays on offense last year, so if Brown gets 500, the rookie gets 300, and Perrine gets 200, that leaves 80 for Moss, empty sets, and change.     I suspect we would we see Brown closer to 400 if we had a highly drafted rookie, though.

Taking one high may also mean they cut Moss and use his cap savings to shore up another area, like G with Dalton Rusher or S with Justin Simmons.

FWIW, Brown got 686 offensive snaps last year.
I was saying 500+ because I was already factoring in some decline.
I would be shocked (disappointed?) if he was reduced down close to 400.

I guess what I am more expecting is any RB rookie to be more in a true backup role like we've seen with RBs in years past when Mixon and Moss were the starters.

2023 - Mixon played 70% of the offensive snaps.
2024 - Moss played 62% of the offensive snaps before he went out to injury, >65% the first month of the season.

So what I expect is Brown to get 60-70% of the offensive snaps (600+).
I expect Perine to get ~20% of the snaps primarily for his role as a pass blocker (around 200).
I am expecting any rookie RB to get ~200 snaps and end up having only ~50-100 touches and putting up just around 300-400 YFS, and a plan for that RB to get more touches after Perine is no longer on the team.

Maybe that changes if they are really considering a RB in the middle rounds and really do look to have Brown around 400-500 snaps, rookie RB to have 300+ snaps, and Perine filling out the rest. I'm just skeptical based on previous usage of RBs in the Taylor era.
I feel like if Taylor really wanted to run an offense with more of a RBBC, he would have by now.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(04-11-2025, 12:26 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Me, either. I was team Sewell, but was fine with Chase. Pitts, on the other hand ...

I would of been happy with any of them. I think Pitts has not been used right with the Falcons and he would be much better here with 
Burrow throwing him the ball. Sewell would of been a great pick too, but looking back I should of been on team Chase lol

(04-11-2025, 12:30 PM)ochocincos Wrote: That wasn't my concern, actually.

I was arguing that I don't think adding more to the RB room is going to pay off as much because I don't foresee Taylor and Pitcher adjusting the playcalling to really give multiple RBs a good number of touches.
So why take a RB on Day 2 who may get sub-300 touches?
Or if a RB is taken and used a lot, what would that mean for Chase Brown, who did admirably last year once becoming a workhorse?


I know some people want an offense like Detroit has, but they aren't paying nearly as much into their receivers like Bengals are.
ASB is the only pass catcher making >$10 mill APY. LaPorta and JMo are making sub-$6 mill APY each.
If Bengals are going to pay so much for pass catchers, it's expected (or at least I expect) that the offense will be far more pass-heavy than balanced.

Yeah, they would definitely have to change up the game plan if they drafted a RB somewhat early. We pay Chase and Tee the big bucks 
now so the focus should be on getting them the ball, but I just cannot help thinking if we had a scary run game it would put the Offense 
over the top. Chase Brown is good and can break big runs but not if he is tuckered out too early in games.

I like that we brought back Samaje, but he is getting up there in age and Moss shown nothing last season to impress me. Trayveon has 
been around far too long for my liking. I would love adding a talented RB and with how deep this Draft is they don't have to take one early.

[*Synric*]

Doesn't look like there's going to be alot of trades in the first round. Bengals likely sticking with pick #17.

That's what it feels like. Not a lot of teams trying to move up. https://t.co/oUetN47cXs

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) April 10, 2025

[kevin]

(04-07-2025, 09:11 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I don't think that they're "pigeon holing" themselves into any particular position. The list of prospects that they've spoken to and later met with covers a variety of positions.

Edit: I will say this though. If Walter Nolan is the pick, I wouldn't complain one bit. Even though I personally have Emmanwori tabbed as the best guy to instantly improve the defense. As far as DE goes? After Abdul Carter, there are a whole bunch of similar prospects, and every one of them has some kind of warts. However, the overall class being deep like it is, someone good will fall to the 3rd round. The Bengals have enough at DE to make it this year, other positions not so much.

Sunset Bengal, when I posted a thread weeks ago asking people to suggest possible D Linemen, you in all your glory told me there was already dozens of threads on D Linemen.  Would it not also be true then that there are many dozens of threads on Defensive Players.  I ask because you seem to have no problem with threads posted, depending on who is posting them.  

That said, this is also a good thread as far as I'm concerned.  I do not know who Bengals take on Defense, but they have had one of the worst defenses in NFL the last 2 seasons. Bengals have Burrow, Chase, Higgins, and look pretty solid across the board on Offense.  Bringing in Golden alone will not fix this awful Defense that gives up more points than even Burrow, Chase, Higgins can score.  So by all means draft some Defensive studs early and often, because this Defense stinks. Only by improving on Defense can this team even consider Play-Offs.  Without fixing the Defense, this will be a last place team. Bengals are in dire need of quality Defensive draft picks from front to back on Defense.  I mentioned D Line, but someone made an excellent point about the need for a good Safety to me.  Bengals need help all over the place on Defense. Bengals are good on Offense, but too weak on Defense to make play-offs. The Draft could help. 

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(04-13-2025, 11:58 AM)Synric Wrote: Doesn't look like there's going to be alot of trades in the first round. Bengals likely sticking with pick #17.

That's what it feels like. Not a lot of teams trying to move up. https://t.co/oUetN47cXs

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) April 10, 2025

What that tells me - Bengals may end up picking someone who we may think is a reach, but in reality they couldn't find a trade partner for the compensation they want.
Or we may see them take a guy at a position we don't really consider a need because Bengals have them well above guys at actual positions of need.

At the end of the day, I just want someone who is going to have a big impact this year, as I feel that's about the only way this team will really compete for a Super Bowl.
They don't have a strong enough roster today that they can have the luxury of all draft picks potentially riding the pine and/or performing poorly.

[*Synric*]

(Yesterday, 01:05 PM)ochocincos Wrote: What that tells me - Bengals may end up picking someone who we may think is a reach, but in reality they couldn't find a trade partner for the compensation they want.
Or we may see them take a guy at a position we don't really consider a need because Bengals have them well above guys at actual positions of need.

At the end of the day, I just want someone who is going to have a big impact this year, as I feel that's about the only way this team will really compete for a Super Bowl.
They don't have a strong enough roster today that they can have the luxury of all draft picks potentially riding the pine and/or performing poorly.

Most of the Analysts are saying picks 15-40 are up in the air. It's more about grabbing quality players at positions of need than getting BPA because this draft isn't stacked at the top.

Walter Nolen I've had tagged since Thanksgiving as a guy that would provide a major impact year 1 even if he's a 45% snap rotational DT because he creates chaos in the backfield.

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(Yesterday, 01:08 PM)Synric Wrote:
Most of the Analysts are saying picks 15-40 are up in the air. It's more about grabbing quality players at positions of need than getting BPA because this draft isn't stacked at the top.

Walter Nolen I've had tagged since Thanksgiving as a guy that would provide a major impact year 1 even if he's a 45% snap rotational DT because he creates chaos in the backfield.

Fans need to remember this, experts are saying our draft pick at #17 is risky and not a lock to be a good NFL player.

I hope we hit, but so does every NFL team, but they won't is a mor likely outcome.

[*ochocincos*]

(Yesterday, 01:08 PM)Synric Wrote: Most of the Analysts are saying picks 15-40 are up in the air. It's more about grabbing quality players at positions of need than getting BPA because this draft isn't stacked at the top.

Walter Nolen I've had tagged since Thanksgiving as a guy that would provide a major impact year 1 even if he's a 45% snap rotational DT because he creates chaos in the backfield.

You know I've been on the Nolen bandwagon for 4+ months now.
I'd be happy to have him on the field, but my concern would be how (much) they would plan to use him.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 01:08 PM)Synric Wrote: Most of the Analysts are saying picks 15-40 are up in the air. It's more about grabbing quality players at positions of need than getting BPA because this draft isn't stacked at the top.

Walter Nolen I've had tagged since Thanksgiving as a guy that would provide a major impact year 1 even if he's a 45% snap rotational DT because he creates chaos in the backfield.

Pretty spot on Synric. This is why I am for Walter Nolen even with the character concerns. He would make an immediate impact. He would 
instantly be our best pass rushing DT by a large margin. But Emmanwori or Starks I think would also make immediate impacts in a positive 
way for us and these guys don't have the character concerns.