Dont blame Lou for the Myles Murphy pick

[007BengalsFan]

Its obvious after watching Duke wasting another 1st round pick on a project at DE for the 2nd time in the last 3 years, Lou wasn't behind the Murphy pick. It should have been clear anyway given how little Lou played Murphy, Murphy wasn't his guy. Duke making another freaking blunder of a pick. What a complete waste when the team needs immediate help at several positions. Unbelievable.

[*pally*]

(Yesterday, 11:40 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Its obvious after watching Duke wasting another 1st round pick on a project at DE for the 2nd time in the last 3 years, Lou wasn't behind the Murphy pick. It should have been clear anyway given how little Lou played Murphy, Murphy wasn't his guy. Duke making another freaking blunder of a pick. What a complete waste when the team needs immediate help at several positions. Unbelievable.

I blame Lou for the lack of development of all those top draft picks

[007BengalsFan]

(Yesterday, 11:44 PM)pally Wrote: I blame Lou for the lack of development of all those top draft picks

Well all these top draft picks are still here so if Lou not developing them was the problem, Golden and his coaching staff should have no problem developing these guys into elite players and I guess we should expect a top tier defense this year right?  Now you add in the #17 pick Stewart in addition to all the guys Lou had to work with, there should be no excuses unless the talent was never as good as you have claimed.  I think what you are going to find however is the defense will be mediocre at best this year and the problem with the defense is many of these guys just arent that great.  No amount of "developing" some of these guys will help.  Sometimes these guys just are who they are.

[Clark W Griswold]

Not sure about Murphy but I am quite sure Golden was totally on board with this pick. He’s the new DC installing his system so I’m sure he had major say in them taking Stewart.

[Frank Booth]

(Today, 01:11 AM)Clark W Griswold Wrote: Not sure about Murphy but I am quite sure Golden was totally on board with this pick. He’s the new DC installing his system so I’m sure he had major say in them taking Stewart.

this just comes off as you not wanting to blame duke for whatever reason. I guess it's because you know he isnt going anywhere. It all falls on duke. 

[Sled21]

(Today, 01:13 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: this just comes off as you not wanting to blame duke for whatever reason. I guess it's because you know he isnt going anywhere. It all falls on duke. 

The dude is not even off the plane yet and people are already labeling him a bust. 

[Bengalstripes9]

(3 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: The dude is not even off the plane yet and people are already labeling him a bust. 

In my mind a good comp for Stewart is Carl Lawson.
Both great at creating pressure but only racking up pressures with little sack production.

I think Stewart is more gifted athletically and I assume more durable because I haven’t heard anything about injuries yet.

Having both (a healthy) Carl Lawson and Trey would be pretty nice.

[NotBigzo]

If this pick showed anything, it's that the Bengals firmly believe that the way the evaluate defensive talent isn't the problem; Lou was.

With how much they're betting on it now with another "project" in Stewart, we better hope they're right.

[ERIC1]

(Yesterday, 11:40 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Its obvious after watching Duke wasting another 1st round pick on a project at DE for the 2nd time in the last 3 years, Lou wasn't behind the Murphy pick.  It should have been clear anyway given how little Lou played Murphy, Murphy wasn't his guy.  Duke making another freaking blunder of a pick.  What a complete waste when the team needs immediate help at several positions.  Unbelievable.

1)Stewart has tremendous talent..He has not even gotten off the plane ..he's not played a single down in the NFL and already you are labelling him a "wasted pick"  ..Yes..the Bengals coaching staff with all the talent ..experience thousands  of hours of observation, film , calls to coaches etc ..went out and purposefully wasted a pick to upset you..Give they guy a chance..the results may surprise..Take some time and watch his college highlights..you might form  a different opinion 2) none of us know  whom ultimately  makes the pick with the Bengals..maybe this was Goldens pick from the get go

[ERIC1]

(2 hours ago)NotBigzo Wrote: If this pick showed anything, it's that the Bengals firmly believe that the way the evaluate defensive talent isn't the problem; Lou was.

With how much they're betting on it now with another "project" in Stewart, we better hope they're right.

bengals coaches  ( Zac and Al) said nothing about Stewart being a project.

[ERIC1]

(Yesterday, 11:44 PM)pally Wrote: I blame Lou for the lack of development of all those top draft picks

and as likeable as Lou is..I would betcha that is one of the reasons he's no longer with the club

[NotBigzo]

(2 hours ago)ERIC1 Wrote: bengals coaches  ( Zac and Al) said nothing about Stewart being a project.

He's a project by every definition of the word regardless of whether they're willing to admit it or not.

[Stewy]

(49 minutes ago)NotBigzo Wrote: He's a project by every definition of the word regardless of whether they're willing to admit it or not.

Not necessarily directed at you NB, but you responded to someone I have blocked....

I swear this is my favorite time of the year.  Regardless of the pick it puts me in absolute hilarities to come on this board the next day and see people losing their shyt and showing their complete ignorance.

Do people really expect the FO and Zach to stand up and talk about our 1st round pick like it was a mistake or a project and just for the future, whatever?  Do they think it would help the player in question or the locker room to hear hte coach talking down?  And then when the FO and coaches DONT say those negative things, do they really believe the coaches are clueless?  If so then we have some really f'ing stupid fans.

[WeezyBengal]

(Yesterday, 11:44 PM)pally Wrote: I blame Lou for the lack of development of all those top draft picks

Every player isn't "developable". 

Some guys just ***** suck at football. 

[WeezyBengal]

(2 hours ago)NotBigzo Wrote: If this pick showed anything, it's that the Bengals firmly believe that the way the evaluate defensive talent isn't the problem; Lou was.

With how much they're betting on it now with another "project" in Stewart, we better hope they're right.

This pick doesnt show us that. 

The last decades worth of draft picks show us that. And not just on the defensive side of the ball... 

John Ross
Cedric Ogbuehi 
Billy Price
Dax Hill 
Myles Murphy
Shamar Stewart
Darquez Dennard

It's laughable how bad they have drafted in the first round when they don't have a top 5 no brainer pick. 

[samhain]

(49 minutes ago)NotBigzo Wrote: He's a project by every definition of the word regardless of whether they're willing to admit it or not.

Sort of.  

I think he can contribute something as is.  Ha can set the edge and disrupt, probably on day 1.  The knock seems to be inconsistent use of technique.  Not bad technique, mind you, just not actually applying technique.  I've heard more than once that he's actually effective when he adds technique, he just rarely bothers and uses his superior size and athleticism to bully lesser athletes.  

On the bright side, he seems like a worker, so maybe he has the discipline to clean this up.  it's in his interests.  He'll make a insane money if this happens.

[CottonHill]

(24 minutes ago)samhain Wrote: Sort of.  

I think he can contribute something as is.  Ha can set the edge and disrupt, probably on day 1.  The knock seems to be inconsistent use of technique.  Not bad technique, mind you, just not actually applying technique.  I've heard more than once that he's actually effective when he adds technique, he just rarely bothers and uses his superior size and athleticism to bully lesser athletes.  

On the bright side, he seems like a worker, so maybe he has the discipline to clean this up.  it's in his interests.  He'll make a insane money if this happens.

Lol yeah he didnt "apply his technique" and bullied the opposition, to the tune of 1.5 sacks and 5 tfl.....that would mean he is a lazy good for niothing player.

Bottom line is, hes just a run/hump athlete, he has no skill or instincts 

[*pally*]

(2 hours ago)ERIC1 Wrote: bengals coaches  ( Zac and Al) said nothing about Stewart being a project.

They were perfectly clear that they thought that playing in a NFL defense against an NFL offense that they thought those pressures would turn into sacks