Really excited to see the Myles Murphy - Shemar Stewart synergy

[Housh]

(06-02-2025, 03:50 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Stewart is probably our best run stopping End already. Great at sealing the edge in the run game.

I think Stewart starts immediately on run downs. Ossai and Trey on passing downs though is what I expect.

And the good thing about this is Stewart isn’t a lost cause rushing either

So we if get caught in back personnel packages we could still in theory generate pressure if Stewart surprises us or if Ossai takes a step

BJ, TJ, Stewart and Ossai should theoretically be a great run stop front. And with Logan and The rookie MLB and Barrett flying around with the speed they have we should see a lot of no gains or short gains

[RunKijanaRun]

Someone found the good blow.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(06-03-2025, 08:34 PM)Housh Wrote: And the good thing about this is Stewart isn’t a lost cause rushing either

So we if get caught in back personnel packages we could still in theory generate pressure if Stewart surprises us or if Ossai takes a step

BJ, TJ, Stewart and Ossai should theoretically be a great run stop front. And with Logan and The rookie MLB and Barrett flying around with the speed they have we should see a lot of no gains or short gains

All true, I like what I am hearing from the players talking about their new coaches on Defense as well.

[*ochocincos*]

I don't know how much synergy they end up having unless they play opposite positions.
And I believe MM played better from the spot Hendrickson plays, so he may not get much playing time rotating in for Hendrickson unless a rest really is needed.
And given the draft has come and gone, I don't want to see Hendrickson traded for a future draft pick because that will just make the defense (much, much) worse for 2025.
One has to also assume Ossai will get a good amount of playing time too because why else would you have chosen to sign back for $8 mill when you supposedly had better offers on the table?
It may be 2026 before we see MM and SS out there much together.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(06-04-2025, 01:54 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I don't know how much synergy they end up having unless they play opposite positions.
And I believe MM played better from the spot Hendrickson plays, so he may not get much playing time rotating in for Hendrickson unless a rest really is needed.
And given the draft has come and gone, I don't want to see Hendrickson traded for a future draft pick because that will just make the defense (much, much) worse for 2025.
One has to also assume Ossai will get a good amount of playing time too because why else would you have chosen to sign back for $8 mill when you supposedly had better offers on the table?
It may be 2026 before we see MM and SS out there much together.

It may be, Myles Murphy was terrible at sealing the edge in the run game last year as well, so even on running downs he needs to really improve.

With Shemar being so great at sealing the edge I think he could start immediately in Sam's role at LDE. Ossai will of course get the most snaps since
they paid the man, but Ossai isn't a great run stopper either and is undersized.

[jj22]

I’m more excited to see any growth from Johnson. He got good snaps to close the season.

[*ochocincos*]

(06-04-2025, 02:09 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: It may be, Myles Murphy was terrible at sealing the edge in the run game last year as well, so even on running downs he needs to really improve.

With Shemar being so great at sealing the edge I think he could start immediately in Sam's role at LDE. Ossai will of course get the most snaps since
they paid the man, but Ossai isn't a great run stopper either and is undersized.

Is 6'4", 263 lbs really undersized?
Someone like Will Anderson at just 243 lbs I would agree with, but Ossai has bulked up some.
I think it's more that Ossai was a LB in college and probably where he would fit best - 3-4 OLB.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(06-05-2025, 09:46 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Is 6'4", 263 lbs really undersized?
Someone like Will Anderson at just 243 lbs I would agree with, but Ossai has bulked up some.
I think it's more that Ossai was a LB in college and probably where he would fit best - 3-4 OLB.

Good point, he just seemed smaller than Sam and especially Trey to me out there. Ossai doesn't look 6'4" when I am watching him.

I do think Ossai is going to have a breakout season in Golden's Defense which is more of a 3-4 than Lou's Defense IMO.

I also expect Murphy to really improve this year, same with our sophomore DT's in Kris and McKinnley. Think we needed a new DL coach bad.

Wasn't impressed with the growth of any of our young DL under Hobby.

[*ochocincos*]

(06-05-2025, 01:44 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Good point, he just seemed smaller than Sam and especially Trey to me out there. Ossai doesn't look 6'4" when I am watching him.

I do think Ossai is going to have a breakout season in Golden's Defense which is more of a 3-4 than Lou's Defense IMO.

I also expect Murphy to really improve this year, same with our sophomore DT's in Kris and McKinnley. Think we needed a new DL coach bad.

Wasn't impressed with the growth of any of our young DL under Hobby.

I'm interested to see how the DL is used in 3-front and 5-front situations.

I am assuming the 4-front is Hendrickson-Slaton-Hill-Ossai/Stewart
I lean toward Jenkins being the 5th DL in 5-front, with Slaton as the true NT.
I would think both Hendrickson and Ossai as the OLBs and Jenkins-Slaton-Hill as the DL in a 3-4?

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(06-05-2025, 01:49 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'm interested to see how the DL is used in 3-front and 5-front situations.

I am assuming the 4-front is Hendrickson-Slaton-Hill-Ossai/Stewart
I lean toward Jenkins being the 5th DL in 5-front, with Slaton as the true NT.
I would think both Hendrickson and Ossai as the OLBs and Jenkins-Slaton-Hill as the DL in a 3-4?

Wow, you nailed my thoughts perfectly on the DL fronts. Cannot argue with any of that. McKinnley did surprise me with his penetration late 
last year though. He could surprise once again and see more snaps if he continues this disruption. Still think Kris will work his ass off and be 
the breakout DT this season as a pass rusher. Stewart I think will shine against the run and will make some shake their head with his size, 
athleticism and quick step, another monster compared to Sam the last couple of years.

I know Shemar needs to learn how to keep his head up and finish, but his athleticism alone should give OL more problems than Sam, nothing
against one of my favorite dudes but he was injured and looking washed as of late.

[SunsetBengal]

(06-05-2025, 01:49 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'm interested to see how the DL is used in 3-front and 5-front situations.

I am assuming the 4-front is Hendrickson-Slaton-Hill-Ossai/Stewart
I lean toward Jenkins being the 5th DL in 5-front, with Slaton as the true NT.
I would think both Hendrickson and Ossai as the OLBs and Jenkins-Slaton-Hill as the DL in a 3-4?

So, which of Hendrickson and Ossai is going to be the man to shift to the side that drops back and covers the flats?

[HarleyDog]

(05-31-2025, 01:35 PM)StoneTheCrow Wrote: Would you like to kick my dog while you’re at it?

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(06-05-2025, 07:50 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So, which of Hendrickson and Ossai is going to be the man to shift to the side that drops back and covers the flats?

Ossai.

[*ochocincos*]

(06-05-2025, 07:50 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So, which of Hendrickson and Ossai is going to be the man to shift to the side that drops back and covers the flats?

Probably Ossai since he used to be an off-ball LB too?
Or maybe Knight can fill that role and have Knight and Ossai at OLB with Hendrickson-Slaton-Hill on the line.

[SunsetBengal]

(06-06-2025, 09:14 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Probably Ossai since he used to be an off-ball LB too?
Or maybe Knight can fill that role and have Knight and Ossai at OLB with Hendrickson-Slaton-Hill on the line.

That actually sounds interesting, now that you mention it. I forget some days that we drafted Knight. The team needs to correct that contract language and get those guys in the building, quickly.

[3wt]

(06-06-2025, 09:21 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That actually sounds interesting, now that you mention it. I forget some days that we drafted Knight. The team needs to correct that contract language and get those guys in the building, quickly.

This is the wrong year to introduce controversial language.  Especially regarding Stewart who badly needs the reps

I also like the idea of the 3/4 lineup.  And if the focus is more a coverage focus put Knight and Wilson on the inside with Burks and Carter on the outside.

[Clark W Griswold]

(06-06-2025, 10:07 AM)3wt Wrote: This is the wrong year to introduce controversial language.  Especially regarding Stewart who badly needs the reps

I also like the idea of the 3/4 lineup.  And if the focus is more a coverage focus put Knight and Wilson on the inside with Burks and Carter on the outside.

Still a ways to go but it is concerning that on paper they are deep/talented at DE but in reality they are not because their 2 main guys are not even participating in practices. Who knows how long Trey may sit out and how effective Stewart might be if he keeps missing time.

These contract issues are turning a position of strength into one of the weakest spots on the team.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(06-05-2025, 01:44 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Good point, he just seemed smaller than Sam and especially Trey to me out there. Ossai doesn't look 6'4" when I am watching him.

I do think Ossai is going to have a breakout season in Golden's Defense which is more of a 3-4 than Lou's Defense IMO.

I also expect Murphy to really improve this year, same with our sophomore DT's in Kris and McKinnley. Think we needed a new DL coach bad.

Wasn't impressed with the growth of any of our young DL under Hobby.

Hubbard was 6'5, close to 285-290 when he retired, so he indeed looks much bigger than Ossai lol.

(06-06-2025, 09:21 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That actually sounds interesting, now that you mention it. I forget some days that we drafted Knight. The team needs to correct that contract language and get those guys in the building, quickly.

Knight has been practicing since the second practice

[*Synric*]

(06-05-2025, 01:49 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'm interested to see how the DL is used in 3-front and 5-front situations.

I am assuming the 4-front is Hendrickson-Slaton-Hill-Ossai/Stewart
I lean toward Jenkins being the 5th DL in 5-front, with Slaton as the true NT.
I would think both Hendrickson and Ossai as the OLBs and Jenkins-Slaton-Hill as the DL in a 3-4?

5-man front situations will likely be short yardage and goal-line unlike last year when they tried to use it instead of a Nose Tackle. We are more likely to see a hybrid 43/34 front with 4 down linemen and brining the SAM up to line up over the TE-Y. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(06-06-2025, 03:25 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Hubbard was 6'5, close to 285-290 when he retired, so he indeed looks much bigger than Ossai lol.


Knight has been practicing since the second practice

I thought so, thanks Truck. Ossai also has always looked closer to 6'3" to me.

Also thought Knight has been out there practicing.

(06-06-2025, 03:34 PM)Synric Wrote: 5-man front situations will likely be short yardage and goal-line unlike last year when they tried to use it instead of a Nose Tackle. We are more likely to see a hybrid 43/34 front with 4 down linemen and brining the SAM up to line up over the TE-Y. 

Probably correct Synric. Still those 5-man fronts that Lou used to run to confuse Mahomes should be on the table on passing downs at times.

Especially against QB's that struggle at times not knowing what the Defense is doing. Actually been hearing that Golden's new Defense has been
much more confusing to our QB's during practices this offseason which is a good sign.