All Time 53

[Bengalfan4life27c]

QB 3 Joe Burrow Ken Anderson Boomer Esiason
RB 5 Cordey Dillon James Brooks Joe Mixon Harold Green Rudi Johnson
WR 7 Jamarr Chase Chad Ochocinco AJ Green  Isaac Curits Carl Pickens Eddie Brown TJ Houshmanzadeh
T 3 Anthony Munoz Willie Anderson Andrew Whitworth
G 3 Max Montoya Bruce Kozerski Kevin Zetiler  
C 2 Rich Braham Bob Johnson
TE 3 Jermain Gresham Rodney Holman Tyler Eiffert

DE 3 Justin Smith  Tre Hendrickson Carlos Dunlap
DT 5 Geno Atkins Mike Reid Tim Krumrie  DJ Reader Dan Wilkinson
LB 6 Takeo Spikes Brian Simmons Logan Wilson Reggie Williams Vontez Burfict Carl Zander
CB  6  Lamarr Parrish Ken Riley Jonathan Joseph Louis Breeden Terrence Newman Adam Jones (also KR PR)
S  4 Jessie Bates David Fulcher Bobby Kemp Reggie Nelson
LS Clark Harris
K Evan Mcpherson
P Kevin Huber

[Nicomo Cosca]

I’d take Leon Hall over a couple of those CB’s.

[sandwedge]

(06-02-2025, 05:40 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: QB 3 Joe Burrow Ken Anderson Boomer Esiason
RB 5 Cordey Dillon James Brooks Joe Mixon Harold Green Rudi Johnson
WR 7 Jamarr Chase Chad Ochocinco AJ Green  Isaac Curits Carl Pickens Eddie Brown TJ Houshmanzadeh
T 3 Anthony Munoz Willie Anderson Andrew Whitworth
G 3 Max Montoya Bruce Kozerski Kevin Zetiler  
C 2 Rich Braham Bob Johnson
TE 3 Jermain Gresham Rodney Holman Tyler Eiffert

DE 3 Justin Smith  Tre Hendrickson Carlos Dunlap
DT 5 Geno Atkins Mike Reid Tim Krumrie  DJ Reader Dan Wilkinson
LB 6 Takeo Spikes Brian Simmons Logan Wilson Reggie Williams Vontez Burfict Carl Zander
CB  6  Lamarr Parrish Ken Riley Jonathan Joseph Louis Breeden Terrence Newman Adam Jones (also KR PR)
S  4 Jessie Bates David Fulcher Bobby Kemp Reggie Nelson
LS Clark Harris
K Evan Mcpherson
P Kevin Huber

Brian "Puddins" Simmons, really? I would put LeClair over him.

[schroomytunes]

I'm 52 years old, became a fan in !979. there's a few I would add over yours:

TE: Dan Ross over Germaine Gresham- Ross played in a Running league and still was a solid option for Kenny

LB- Jim LeClair over Carl Zander- LeClair was just a force inside

CB- Leon Hall over Terrance Newman- Newman wasn't dominate with us(Cowboys), Hall was a solid Corner.

Solid list though!!! Montoya was the one guy I think we blew it on in PlanB FA!! gambled and lost.

[Essex Johnson]

(06-02-2025, 05:40 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: QB 3 Joe Burrow Ken Anderson Boomer Esiason
RB 5 Cordey Dillon James Brooks Joe Mixon Harold Green Rudi Johnson
WR 7 Jamarr Chase Chad Ochocinco AJ Green  Isaac Curits Carl Pickens Eddie Brown TJ Houshmanzadeh
T 3 Anthony Munoz Willie Anderson Andrew Whitworth
G 3 Max Montoya Bruce Kozerski Kevin Zetiler  
C 2 Rich Braham Bob Johnson
TE 3 Jermain Gresham Rodney Holman Tyler Eiffert

DE 3 Justin Smith  Tre Hendrickson Carlos Dunlap
DT 5 Geno Atkins Mike Reid Tim Krumrie  DJ Reader Dan Wilkinson
LB 6 Takeo Spikes Brian Simmons Logan Wilson Reggie Williams Vontez Burfict Carl Zander
CB  6  Lamarr Parrish Ken Riley Jonathan Joseph Louis Breeden Terrence Newman Adam Jones (also KR PR)
S  4 Jessie Bates David Fulcher Bobby Kemp Reggie Nelson
LS Clark Harris
K Evan Mcpherson
P Kevin Huber

I would redo TEs, to Trumpy, Holman,, Gresham, .. I would put Fulcher over Bates and kicker would be Jim Breech,  add Bill Bergey to LB, over Wilson and Reggie would be 3rd Lb then Bergey, Dave Lapham over Zetiler

[Sled21]

(06-02-2025, 05:40 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: QB 3 Joe Burrow Ken Anderson Boomer Esiason
RB 5 Cordey Dillon James Brooks Joe Mixon Harold Green Rudi Johnson
WR 7 Jamarr Chase Chad Ochocinco AJ Green  Isaac Curits Carl Pickens Eddie Brown TJ Houshmanzadeh
T 3 Anthony Munoz Willie Anderson Andrew Whitworth
G 3 Max Montoya Bruce Kozerski Kevin Zetiler  
C 2 Rich Braham Bob Johnson
TE 3 Jermain Gresham Rodney Holman Tyler Eiffert

DE 3 Justin Smith  Tre Hendrickson Carlos Dunlap
DT 5 Geno Atkins Mike Reid Tim Krumrie  DJ Reader Dan Wilkinson
LB 6 Takeo Spikes Brian Simmons Logan Wilson Reggie Williams Vontez Burfict Carl Zander
CB  6  Lamarr Parrish Ken Riley Jonathan Joseph Louis Breeden Terrence Newman Adam Jones (also KR PR)
S  4 Jessie Bates David Fulcher Bobby Kemp Reggie Nelson
LS Clark Harris
K Evan Mcpherson
P Kevin Huber

How are you going to do Pete Johnson like that, or Danny Casanova, or Bob Trumpy.. or Jim Breech? Lots of good names on your list, but it suffers from recency bias.
Even McPherson.... pfffftttt. not yet.

Quote:In his 14 NFL seasons, Breech made 243 of 340 field goals (71.4%), 517 of 539 extra points (95.9%), and scored 1,246 total points. His 1,151 points with the Bengals are a franchise record. He is second all-time scoring in consecutive games with 186 consecutive games, and he was a perfect 9 for 9 in overtime field goals, an NFL record. Breech played in 9 postseason games during his career. In all of them combined, he missed just 2 field goals out of 11 attempts and never missed an extra point. Breech also played in Super Bowl XVI and Super Bowl XXIII, was perfect in both games, not missing a field goal or extra point in either one. In Super Bowl XXIII, he kicked 3 field goals and scored 10 of Cincinnati's 16 points in the game. When his third field goal gave the Bengals a 16–13 lead over the San Francisco 49ers with just 3:10 left in the game, it appeared there was a strong possibility he would become the first kicker ever to win the Super Bowl MVP award. However, the 49ers ended that chance by driving 92 yards and scoring the winning touchdown with 34 seconds left in the game. In 1999, he was inducted into the University of California Athletic hall of fame

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(06-02-2025, 07:28 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I’d take Leon Hall over a couple of those CB’s.

Leon over all, save for the first two.

(06-03-2025, 08:06 AM)Sled21 Wrote: How are you going to do Pete Johnson like that, or Danny Casanova, or Bob Trumpy.. or Jim Breech? Lots of good names on your list, but it suffers from recency bias.
Even McPherson.... pfffftttt. not yet.

Breech is the second or third worst long-time starting K in our history (even below Fat Randy), only Rackers (and he technically wasn't long-term. Pelfrey would be the other one) is worse.

You need to compare them to their peers in terms of percentage, makes, clutch factor, etc. Breech was never top 10 in anything, outside of maybe 1 year (I can't remember exactly, but I wrote a post like this a year or two ago), he was awful compared to his peers. He just kicked for us for a long time, that's all.

It's like Mason Crosby: the guy was a shitty K for SO LONG, people think he was great because GB decided to keep him around. Look at this numbers when compared to his peers, they are not great at all.

By the numbers, Shayne is our best K ever, but Evan will surpass him in a couple of years unless something catastrophic happens.

[TJHoushmandzadeh's Shiny Shoes]

Ok, here’s my attempt. I’ve tried to base it across the entire history so many of these I haven’t actually properly watched play.

QB (3) Burrow, Anderson, Esiason
RB (4) Dillon, Brooks, Pete Johnson, Paul Robinson
WR (6) Chase, AJ, Chad, Curtis, Collinsworth, Pickens
TE (3) Trumpy, Holman, Eifert
OL (9) Munoz, Anderson, Whitworth, Walter, Montoya, Kozerski, Latham, Bob Johnson, Braham

DE (5) Edwards, Bacon, Dunlap, Hendrickson, Smith
DT (4) Atkins, Krumrie, Reid, Reader
LB (6) Williams, Spikes, Bergey, McClair, Simmons, Francis
CB (6) Riley, Parrish, Hall, Joseph, Breeden, Adam Jones
S (4) Fulcher, Casanova, Bates, Nelson
ST (3) Breech, McInally, Harris

So who have I missed?

[Sled21]

(06-03-2025, 10:00 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Leon over all, save for the first two.


Breech is the second or third worst long-time starting K in our history (even below Fat Randy), only Rackers (and he technically wasn't long-term. Pelfrey would be the other one) is worse.

You need to compare them to their peers in terms of percentage, makes, clutch factor, etc. Breech was never top 10 in anything, outside of maybe 1 year (I can't remember exactly, but I wrote a post like this a year or two ago), he was awful compared to his peers. He just kicked for us for a long time, that's all.

It's like Mason Crosby: the guy was a shitty K for SO LONG, people think he was great because GB decided to keep him around. Look at this numbers when compared to his peers, they are not great at all.

By the numbers, Shayne is our best K ever, but Evan will surpass him in a couple of years unless something catastrophic happens.

71.4 % career FG % sustained over 14 years, 95.9% on PAT. 9 for 11 in Post season games, and perfect in two Super Bowls. I realize Evan was injured last year, but his performance has gone steadily south since his first year.

[Goalpost]

(06-03-2025, 10:28 AM)TJHoushmandzadeh Wrote: Ok, here’s my attempt. I’ve tried to base it across the entire history so many of these I haven’t actually properly watched play.

QB (3) Burrow, Anderson, Esiason
RB (4) Dillon, Brooks, Pete Johnson, Paul Robinson
WR (6) Chase, AJ, Chad, Curtis, Collinsworth, Pickens
TE (3) Trumpy, Holman, Eifert
OL (9) Munoz, Anderson, Whitworth, Walter, Montoya, Kozerski, Latham, Bob Johnson, Braham

DE (5) Edwards, Bacon, Dunlap, Hendrickson, Smith
DT (4) Atkins, Krumrie, Reid, Reader
LB (6) Williams, Spikes, Bergey, McClair, Simmons, Francis
CB (6) Riley, Parrish, Hall, Joseph, Breeden, Adam Jones
S (4) Fulcher, Casanova, Bates, Nelson
ST (3) Breech, McInally, Harris

So who have I missed?

Dan Ross at TE over Eifert imo.  

Ross had 263 receptions as a Bengal.  Oft injured Eifert had 185.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(06-02-2025, 05:40 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: QB 3 Joe Burrow Ken Anderson Boomer Esiason
RB 5 Cordey Dillon James Brooks Joe Mixon Harold Green Rudi Johnson
WR 7 Jamarr Chase Chad Ochocinco AJ Green  Isaac Curits Carl Pickens Eddie Brown TJ Houshmanzadeh
T 3 Anthony Munoz Willie Anderson Andrew Whitworth
G 3 Max Montoya Bruce Kozerski Kevin Zetiler  
C 2 Rich Braham Bob Johnson
TE 3 Jermain Gresham Rodney Holman Tyler Eiffert

DE 3 Justin Smith  Tre Hendrickson Carlos Dunlap
DT 5 Geno Atkins Mike Reid Tim Krumrie  DJ Reader Dan Wilkinson
LB 6 Takeo Spikes Brian Simmons Logan Wilson Reggie Williams Vontez Burfict Carl Zander
CB  6  Lamarr Parrish Ken Riley Jonathan Joseph Louis Breeden Terrence Newman Adam Jones (also KR PR)
S  4 Jessie Bates David Fulcher Bobby Kemp Reggie Nelson
LS Clark Harris
K Evan Mcpherson
P Kevin Huber

Thanks for starting the thread. I considered doing it a couple times this year, but then talked myself into educating myself on all the players at every spot and making informed choices, and it was too much work, so I wimped out. :) 

Plus, deciding how many to take at each spot, what the base is gonna be (3 WE, 2 RB, 2 TE, 43, 34, nickel, etc) is tough. Or do you pick a 53 that can do it all? 

Anyway, you have encouraged me to go for it  but I will just post my initial thoughts and reserve the right to switch later upon getting better info. 

Off the top of my head: 

QB (3): Anderson, Esiason, Burrow 
RB (3): Brooks, Dillon, Mixon 
FB (1): P. Johnson 
WR (6): C. Johnson, Green, Chase; Curtis, Collinsworth, Pickens
TE (3): Trumpy, Holman, Ross
OT (3): Munoz, Willie; Whitworth 
OG (3): Montoya, Lapham, Zeitler
C (2): Johnson, Braham.
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DE (4): Hendrickson, Dunlap; Bacon, Edwards 
DT/NT(4): Atkins, Krumrie; Reid, Peko 
LB (5): Williams, LeClar, Burfict; Bergey, Francis
CB (5): Riley, Parrish, Hall; Jones, Breeden
S (4): Fulcher, Cassanova; Bates, Nelson
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PK (1): Breech 
P (1): McInally 
LS (1): Harris
PR/KR: Parrish & Jones (no spots added)

That is 24 on O and 22 on D. 3 ST. 

I am light at TE, OL, DE, DT, & CB. And there is no true backup SS on that squad. Nor a true slot WR. Both Bacon & Reid have inside/out versatility.

I tried to grab at least 1 LB who could feasibly play every pissible LB role: 

43 MLB: LeClair, Bergey, Burfict
34 ILB/Nickel ILB: same 
34 ROLB: Williams 
34 LOLB: Francis 
43 OLB: Williams, Burfict

Probably need another LB as well  

Pro Bowlers/All Pros not in my 49. 

All Pro: Robinson (RB), Ambrose (CB), Lewis (P/QB). 1 each. 

Pro-Bowlers not In: 
3x: QB Dalton
2x: QB Palmer, RB Robinson, TE Gresham
1x: QB Blake; RB Green, RB R. Johnson; FB Neal; WR Brown, WR Houshmandzadeh, WR Myers; TE Eifert; CB Ambrose, CB Thomas, CB James, CB O'Neal, PK Graham, P Huber, KR/DB Mack, ST/RB Peerman.

Highest Added Value not In: 
#, Pos, Player, AV, Games, Seasons 
1. QB Dalton, 100, 133, 9
2. QB Palmer, 74, 97, 7
3. RT Walter, 69, 166, 12
4. C/G/T Kozerski, 69, 172, 12
5. WR Brown, 64, 102, 7 
6. RT Wilson, 63, 114, 8
7. RT Holland, 62, 119, 9 
8. DE M. Johnson, 60, 141, 9
9. LT Mayes, 57, 110, 9
10. B. Williams, RG, 118, 8
11. DE Browner, 57, 127, 9 
12. LLB Beauchamp, 56, 111, 8
13. MLB/LLB Maualuga, 56, 114, 8
14. LDE Geathers, 55, 152, 11
15. RILB Cameron, 55, 159, 11 
16. WR Houshmandzadeh, 54, 105, 8
17. WR Scott, 54, 109, 7 
18. RG Boling, 53, 111, 8 
19. LG Fest, 53, 112, 8 
20. WR Boyd, 53, 120, 8
21. DE Smith, 50, 111, 7

That is it above 50. Though AV rewards longevity. Though some guys had better AV/year or AV/game over shorter timeframes. 

I will do 40s later. 

I did not pick Scott or Brown because I already had 2 deep threats in Chase/Curtis, 2 big WRs in AJ/Pickens, and 2 route runners in Ocho/CC. 

I will do some more research & come back. WR5 & WR6 were tough for me, as was P, and taking Bacon at DE, and the LB choices after Williams & LeClair. Everything else pretty straightforward. 

And outside of Dalton/Palmer/Robinson, all our multiple PB guys are on, and I think QB4/QB5Cshould not make it,,and Robinson had 2 great years and that was baducally it. 

No one else jumps out as getting robbed outside of the WR choices left off (Housh, Brown, Boyd, Scott, Tee), and there is tough comp there. Maybe I go 7. 

[TJHoushmandzadeh's Shiny Shoes]

(06-03-2025, 01:12 PM)Goalpost Wrote: Dan Ross at TE over Eifert imo.  

Ross had 263 receptions as a Bengal.  Oft injured Eifert had 185.

Yeah I went back and forth on that one. Ross had the more sustained career but Eifert at his peak was some player. That 13 TD season in 2015 - and he missed games that year too.

I may have been subconsciously swayed by Eifert’s beer chugging capabilities though.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(06-03-2025, 01:12 PM)Goalpost Wrote: Dan Ross at TE over Eifert imo.  

Ross had 263 receptions as a Bengal.  Oft injured Eifert had 185.

And McGee was better than both of them

[Bengalfan4life27c]

Dan Wilkinson would feast and play better with competent talent around him we didnt have much around him during his time here