Christian Wilkins

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(Yesterday, 10:14 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Nobody uses the Bengal's or any other team's doctors to perform surgeries. The team doctors look at them, tell them what they think they need, and then they go to a specialist for the surgery. So the Raider's docs said he needs another surgery. I would suppose the specialists agreed, which is why they pulled his contract.
It's really no different than when I was injured at work. If I did not do what the doctors said I should do, workman's comp would drop me. (And this was years ago)

Except he listened to HIS doctors. So workman's comp wouldn't drop him.

This is like when the Reds' doctors told CES that he didn't need surgery, when he clearly needed surgery so he went to talk to his own doctors and they said he did. Pretty sure that was the same year the Reds doctors told India his foot was fine and then his doctors said it wasn't and he needed surgery.

The team's doctors don't always have your longterm health in mind. The team only has you for a few years and how your body functions after that isn't their problem. That's why you see so many half-fixes to get a guy through the season rather than to actually fix the problem because it's less about how your life will be in 10 years.

[ERIC1]

(Yesterday, 02:19 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yep, I wanted Wilkins but it backfired big time on the Raiders. Maybe once he is healed up give him a look but I am expecting a lot of growth 
out of Kris Jenkins and McKinnley Jackson this year.

They were playing lights out the last third of the season..Add in the new linebackers and explosive players like stewart...and A l Golden..its gonna be a fun year

[ERIC1]

(Yesterday, 08:14 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Except he listened to HIS doctors. So workman's comp wouldn't drop him.

This is like when the Reds' doctors told CES that he didn't need surgery, when he clearly needed surgery so he went to talk to his own doctors and they said he did. Pretty sure that was the same year the Reds doctors told India his foot was fine and then his doctors said it wasn't and he needed surgery.

The team's doctors don't always have your longterm health in mind. The team only has you for a few years and how your body functions after that isn't their problem. That's why you see so many half-fixes to get a guy through the season rather than to actually fix the problem because it's less about how your life will be in 10 years.

Even though teams carry workers comp..if you think the majority of these top notch surgeons fall into the workers comp network you are mistaken..I would imagine nfl teams use other insurance carriers for player injuries

[Sled21]

(Yesterday, 08:14 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote:
Except he listened to HIS doctors. So workman's comp wouldn't drop him.

This is like when the Reds' doctors told CES that he didn't need surgery, when he clearly needed surgery so he went to talk to his own doctors and they said he did. Pretty sure that was the same year the Reds doctors told India his foot was fine and then his doctors said it wasn't and he needed surgery.

The team's doctors don't always have your longterm health in mind. The team only has you for a few years and how your body functions after that isn't their problem. That's why you see so many half-fixes to get a guy through the season rather than to actually fix the problem because it's less about how your life will be in 10 years.

As I said, he has every right to listen to whatever doctor he's listening to and make his own decision. Just as the team has the right to listen to their doctors and cut for not having surgery that would get him back on the field faster.
And when I had the wreck that took me out of sworn police work, workman's comp was paying for my rehab, until THEIR doctors said I needed neck surgery. The three doctors my pension board sent me to all said not to have it, because A) it wouldn't help, and B) there was a good chance I would eventually become pain free> I chose not to have the surgery. Worker's Comp refused to pay for any more therapy. So you are 100% wrong.

[XsandOs]

(Yesterday, 05:57 PM)ochocincos Wrote: In what aspect?

He was not very productive as a pass rusher last year, nor what he known to be a pass rush specialist in college.
The motor is there, but there's a lot of work to be done still.

Let's compare Jenkins with an IDL who got paid big this offseason - Milton Williams.

Jenkins (496 defensive snaps):
17 solo tackles
11 assisted tackles
0 FFs
12 stops
3.0 sacks
11 total pressures

Williams (500 defensive snaps):
12 solo tackles
7 assisted tackles
1 FF
12 stops
5.0 sacks
40 total pressures (!!!)

The good for Jenkins - tackling seems ok, he gets some stops at the line. His sack numbers appear ok.
The bad - He only got 8 other pressures (6 hurries, 2 hits) aside from those 3 sacks.

Jenkins needs to continue finding ways to get pressure on the QB, as he doesn't have much development there aside from power. He needs moves, technique to get through more consistently.
What are you seeing/thinking that indicates he will develop those things aside from just having a new DL coach?
 

Ocho, you are a smart man. But comparing a rookie DT who also had to line up at zero tech/NT on a depleted d-line (I am trying to find out the exact breakdown), to a 4th year vet playing next to a giant NT (Jordan Davis), is not a fair comparison.

If there is ever a scenario where a player was thrown into the fire, this was it. Same with Jackson. 

To your questions of "in what aspect" - in every aspect. He improved every year in Michigan (although he had more total tackles in '23 than '24). 

He has a Father and Uncle who played D-Line and had 70+ sacks between them. I am sure they are feeding this kid the sauce. He has power, spin and club rip moves. And most importantly, other than his power, he has really good hands. 

Ocho, he made a stop on Panthers RB Hubbard on 4th and goal from the 1 yard line, that was pure violence. I was sitting 12 rows behind the Bengals bench and that play seemed to just juice the entire Team. 

I refrain from making predictions on what I can't directly control, but I predict this guy to be our Cam Heyward.   

 

[Housh]

Foot is shot
No one should sign him until it’s recovering well

But someone will

[007BengalsFan]

After listening to Locked on Bengals yesterday, Im wondering how much the Bengals would be on the hook this year for Wilkins salary. If the Raiders are responsible for most of Wilkins pay this year and the Bengals dont risk much, I would love to bring in Wilkins. If its similar to how the Panthers payed most of Vonn Bell's salary last year then I would support bringing in Wilkins to see what he could do.

[FormerlyBengalRugby]

(5 hours ago)007BengalsFan Wrote: After listening to Locked on Bengals yesterday, Im wondering how much the Bengals would be on the hook this year for Wilkins salary.  If the Raiders are responsible for most of Wilkins pay this year and the Bengals dont risk much, I would love to bring in Wilkins.  If its similar to how the Panthers payed most of Vonn Bell's salary last year then I would support bringing in Wilkins to see what he could do.

Indeed.

Plus he would be cheap to cut if he was a distraction or poisoning the well.

I am very bullish on Jenkins and Jackson, but think Wilkins should be considered.

Medical clearance/timeline being paramount.

[J24]

(Yesterday, 06:16 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I mean that's fine for a role player/NT, but you want (need) more for a 3-down DT.
Bengals have probably this season, maybe next season before they NEED a new 3-down DT to replace BJ Hill, and they need someone (maybe it's a DE who swings inside) to cover IDL pass rush in nickel situations alongside Hill in the short term.
That guy won't be Slaton, and it won't likely be McKinnley Jackson.
If it's not Jenkins, who is it?

I agree with your sentiment about the lack of interior pass rush and to me it's our biggest concern. We need a dynamic playmaker in the middle of the line.

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 05:57 PM)ochocincos Wrote: In what aspect?

He was not very productive as a pass rusher last year, nor what he known to be a pass rush specialist in college.
The motor is there, but there's a lot of work to be done still.

Let's compare Jenkins with an IDL who got paid big this offseason - Milton Williams.

Jenkins (496 defensive snaps):
17 solo tackles
11 assisted tackles
0 FFs
12 stops
3.0 sacks
11 total pressures

Williams (500 defensive snaps):
12 solo tackles
7 assisted tackles
1 FF
12 stops
5.0 sacks
40 total pressures (!!!)

The good for Jenkins - tackling seems ok, he gets some stops at the line. His sack numbers appear ok.
The bad - He only got 8 other pressures (6 hurries, 2 hits) aside from those 3 sacks.

Jenkins needs to continue finding ways to get pressure on the QB, as he doesn't have much development there aside from power. He needs moves, technique to get through more consistently.
What are you seeing/thinking that indicates he will develop those things aside from just having a new DL coach?
 

Did Williams also play with a broken hand?

Williams is very good and a vet. I think Jenkins is going to go from average to good in 2025 and will not be a starter. Slayton and Hll are our starting DT's and I can see Stewart sliding inside on passing down as well limiting Jenkins snap.

But I think it will keep him fresh as the year wears on helpng him be more productive.

[Luvnit2]

(5 hours ago)007BengalsFan Wrote: After listening to Locked on Bengals yesterday, Im wondering how much the Bengals would be on the hook this year for Wilkins salary.  If the Raiders are responsible for most of Wilkins pay this year and the Bengals dont risk much, I would love to bring in Wilkins.  If its similar to how the Panthers payed most of Vonn Bell's salary last year then I would support bringing in Wilkins to see what he could do.

He was cut so Bengals would sign him at their terms. The problem is it sounds like he can't clear a physical to sign with anyone.

[Luvnit2]

(3 hours ago)J24 Wrote: I agree with your sentiment about the lack of interior pass rush and to me it's our biggest concern. We need a dynamic playmaker in the middle of the line.

I agree we do.

I think Stewart will move inside on passing downs. He does not always have to finish, but put pressure on the QB into making mistakes or focing them into the grasp of other DL.

Jenkins played with a broken had and still got 3 sacks, I think even though he does not start, I could see Stewart and him at DT on passing downs.

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(3 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: He was cut so Bengals would sign him at their terms. The problem is it sounds like he can't clear a physical to sign with anyone.

We always want these name guys that fallout with their teams. We think we'll get them at their peak and it usually doesn't pan out like that.