I'm Getting Strong 2010 Vibes

[GodFather]

Remember back in the 2010 season when everyone was absolutely jacked about the Bengals? We picked up TO in the offseason and coming off a bitter loss against the Jets but thinking this upcoming year is going to put the pieces together for us finally.

Then the preseason started and the team looked absolutely awful and the excuse over and over was "We are playing vanilla, we dont want to show our playbook" And when the season started it was the Great Shitshow we are too often used too.


Well after watching this defense last week, all I thought was its the Great Shitshow all over again with this group of defensive players. The only difference..and a big one is we have Burrow and Chase that are the best in their category. Is ownership going to waste another year of their talent with a completely inept defense? I didnt see anything positive when watching the 1st team defense get smoked by a second team offense in Philly..

This defensive team just has to be average and with our offense we can go far...but if they cant even muster that underachieving objective, its gonna be another long season watching us lose games that score 41-38...

[Luvnit2]

I have no 2010 vibes. Burrow makes CP look like an average NFL QB and I loved Chad, but Chase is tons better. Tee is much better than 2020 TO. Brown is best RB we have have had in a long time.

The 2010 team did not have the NFL sack leader (maybe) and a ton of young defensive talent in my humble opinion.

So, nope a healhy JB and Chase and this team can beat anyone, not so with CP. I watched CP totally blow a home game against the Cowboys. CP was never the same after his knee injury, went from great to good NFL QB.

[Ell Prez]

(Yesterday, 02:46 PM)GodFather Wrote: Remember back in the 2010 season when everyone was absolutely jacked about the Bengals? We picked up TO in the offseason and coming off a bitter loss against the Jets but thinking this upcoming year is going to put the pieces together for us finally.

Then the preseason started and the team looked absolutely awful and the excuse over and over was "We are playing vanilla, we dont want to show our playbook" And when the season started it was the Great Shitshow we are too often used too.


Well after watching this defense last week, all I thought was its the Great Shitshow all over again with this group of defensive players. The only difference..and a big one is we have Burrow and Chase that are the best in their category. Is ownership going to waste another year of their talent with a completely inept defense? I didnt see anything positive when watching the 1st team defense get smoked by a second team offense in Philly..

This team just has to be average and with our offense we can go far...but if they cant even muster that underachieving objective, its gonna be another long season watching us lose games that score 41-38...

All hopes of a turnaround season by the defense lie not on a player overhaul, because there wasn’t one, but a new coordinator/scheme.

That’s IF we sign Hendrickson. If we don’t, then we lost our best defensive player and are now relying on our coordinator to scheme us a better team. It’s not the jockey that’s the problem. We don’t have the horses on defense. We saw last year it doesn’t matter if we score 38. The other team will score 41.

[Nepa]

I can't disagree with anything you said here. (Well, you are the Godfather.) But I do feel optimistic because of the reasons you stated: Burrow and Chase. This means the defense just has to be passable. We would all love a Philadelphia Eagles level defense -- it is such a joy to have a defense that strikes fear in the opposition. But right now, just hoping for passable.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(Yesterday, 02:56 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: So, nope a healhy JB and Chase and this team can beat anyone, not so with CP.

Burrow is 3-6 vs the Ravens in his career, and one of those wins was against Tyler Huntley. So no, we can’t beat “anyone.” We have a real problem with a team in our own division.

[coachmcneil71]

(Yesterday, 02:56 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I have no 2010 vibes. Burrow makes CP look like an average NFL QB and I loved Chad, but Chase is tons better. Tee is much better than 2020 TO. Brown is best RB we have have had in a long time.

The 2010 team did not have the NFL sack leader (maybe) and a ton of young defensive talent in my humble opinion.

So, nope a healhy JB and Chase and this team can beat anyone, not so with CP. I watched CP totally blow a home game against the Cowboys. CP was never the same after his knee injury, went from great to good NFL QB.

I have, this defense looked like shit, vibes! Losing 48-45, is still losing!!! We can shake the offensive pom-poms all we like, but if this defense doesn't get better quickly, it won't matter. Fast start, fast start, fast start....been hearing that since last January! It's not going to happen unless the defense learns how to bow up, and play with some pride.

Not coming at you per say. Just being objective. I thought that we had a young, fast, talented, on the come up, CB room. It appears that may be the furthest thing from reality. I don't care what their grades were, or what round that they were drafted in. I'm not sure if any of these guys are NFL caliber CBs. We have to start asking ourselves, where would our CBs rank on any other NFL team? 

Tbh, I don't think that any of these guys would be starters on any other NFL team. Maybe CTB could play in Nickel on another team. Just trying to be honest and objective; this secondary doesn't look good. That's being kind.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(Yesterday, 02:46 PM)GodFather Wrote: Remember back in the 2010 season when everyone was absolutely jacked about the Bengals? We picked up TO in the offseason and coming off a bitter loss against the Jets but thinking this upcoming year is going to put the pieces together for us finally.

Then the preseason started and the team looked absolutely awful and the excuse over and over was "We are playing vanilla, we dont want to show our playbook" And when the season started it was the Great Shitshow we are too often used too.


Well after watching this defense last week, all I thought was its the Great Shitshow all over again with this group of defensive players. The only difference..and a big one is we have Burrow and Chase that are the best in their category. Is ownership going to waste another year of their talent with a completely inept defense? I didnt see anything positive when watching the 1st team defense get smoked by a second team offense in Philly..

This team just has to be average and with our offense we can go far...but if they cant even muster that underachieving objective, its gonna be another long season watching us lose games that score 41-38...

We had an excellent oline in '09, last year we did not. We also did not add 2 new, supposedly dynamic WRs AND our running game was our strength at the time.

Those alone make the feeling completely different.

[WeezyBengal]

People that are expecting a lot fidderent from the defense this year are going to be really dissapointed. It's basically relying on the same personell which just isn't good enough.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 02:46 PM)GodFather Wrote: Remember back in the 2010 season when everyone was absolutely jacked about the Bengals? We picked up TO in the offseason and coming off a bitter loss against the Jets but thinking this upcoming year is going to put the pieces together for us finally.

Then the preseason started and the team looked absolutely awful and the excuse over and over was "We are playing vanilla, we dont want to show our playbook" And when the season started it was the Great Shitshow we are too often used too.


Well after watching this defense last week, all I thought was its the Great Shitshow all over again with this group of defensive players. The only difference..and a big one is we have Burrow and Chase that are the best in their category. Is ownership going to waste another year of their talent with a completely inept defense? I didnt see anything positive when watching the 1st team defense get smoked by a second team offense in Philly..

This team just has to be average and with our offense we can go far...but if they cant even muster that underachieving objective, its gonna be another long season watching us lose games that score 41-38...

Not me, if our Defense can just be middle of the road under Golden this team is going to be tough for anybody. The starting OL looked good
along with Chase Brown, we get a running game with Joe Burrow, Ja'Marr, Tee, Mike G and look out. This will help the Defense and we actually
tackled better against the Eagles than last season which is a good sign, especially in just the first preseason game.

I think this game could of been a wake up call. Good for our Defense to struggle before the season begins and get everything ironed out. With 
new coaches it was pretty dumb to think we wouldn't struggle a bit. Get it over with. Our young DT's in Kris Jenkins and McKinnley Jackson 
looked good, we just need the youth to grow and if we can get push in the middle our Defense could really improve.

Trey will be extended by the regular season so we will have the sack leader back, we added Shemar who looks like a terror out there and is way
more athletic than Sam Hubbard was last year. Logan and Knight had a tough outing against the Eagles but should improve and gain chemistry 
together and no more of that holding the ball carrier up to strip the ball out crap we got from Pratt.

The Secondary is young and should improve as well. Playing that soft cushion crap would make any Corner look bad. Once we are playing more
aggressive I can judge the Secondary and specifically the Corners much better.

[J24]

2010 was a weird vibe type season and was in between the Marvin Renaissance (09season then 11-15 seasons). This team feels more incomplete like the 2006/2007 seasons. Where they needed to  add a true 3T and starting Caliber IOL (then it was a center now its a RG) to win a Superbowl(.and didn't)

[Soonerpeace]

We were 9-8 last year. We lost some close games. I think an easier schedule this year. I think the offense is improved and the defense slightly. I wouldn’t doom and gloom over 1 preseason game.

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 03:23 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Burrow is 3-6 vs the Ravens in his career, and one of those wins was against Tyler Huntley. So no, we can’t beat “anyone.” We have a real problem with a team in our own division.

TY for proving my point, he beat them 3 times and that qualifies as anybody. He also put over 30 points on them in 2024 twice and missed FG's = losses. 

[Bengalbug]

(Yesterday, 04:29 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: People that are expecting a lot fidderent from the defense this year are going to be really dissapointed. It's basically relying on the same personell which just isn't good enough.

Go look at commanders, eagles, chargers and broncos turnaround from 2023 to 2024. Actually I’ll do it for you.

2023:

Commanders 32nd in points, 32nd in yards.
Eagles 30th in points, 26th in yards.
Broncos 27th in points, 29th in yards.
Chargers 24th in points, 28th in yards.

2024:

Commanders 18th and 13th
Eagles 2nd and 1st
Broncos 3rd and 7th
Chargers 1st and 11th

3/4 teams replaced their DC in 2024 and the other in 2023. You could argue that the eagles, and commanders, brought in help (but they also lost players in the same offseason). The chargers and broncos returned almost the same team.

The biggest key to a turnaround seems to be coaching/scheme, not necessarily players.

This doesn’t mean Golden will be successful, but he could generate a boost up the rankings. It’s not inconceivable.

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 04:29 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: People that are expecting a lot fidderent from the defense this year are going to be really dissapointed. It's basically relying on the same personell which just isn't good enough.

Slayton versus Rankins
Knight/Burks versus Pratt
Stewart versus Hubbard

Back from injury Turner and Hill who started less than 30% of our games in 2024
Jenkins and Jackson no longer rookies

Looks a lot different to me

I get the urge for fans to trash our defense, they deserve it, but to say it is the same team we fielded for 17 games in 2024 is BS.

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 04:57 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Go look at commanders, eagles, chargers and broncos turnaround from 2023 to 2024.  Actually I’ll do it for you.  

2023:

Commanders 32nd in points, 32nd in yards.
Eagles 30th in points, 26th in yards.
Broncos 27th in points, 29th in yards.
Chargers 24th in points, 28th in yards.

2024:

Commanders 18th and 13th
Eagles 2nd and 1st
Broncos 3rd and 7th
Chargers 1st and 11th

3/4 teams replaced their DC in 2024 and the other in 2023.  You could argue that the eagles, and commanders, brought in help (but they also lost players in the same offseason). The chargers and broncos returned almost the same team.  

The biggest key to a turnaround seems to be coaching/scheme, not necessarily players.

This doesn’t mean Golden will be successful, but he could generate a boost up the rankings.  It’s not inconceivable.

But But But.....................we have the same defensive roster

If not for hope in TC, what do we have? Why is hope a bad thing? If the defense sucks, I can trash them after the fact versus trashing them prior to one 2025 snap.

[Bengalbug]

(Yesterday, 04:59 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: But But But.....................we have the same defensive roster

Yea, I get it. I also think that some players on the roster can be better, and have talent. It would be almost impossible for almost a dozen defensive players drafted (rounds 1-4) in the last 3-4 years be as bad as they have shown.

I’m also not going to read too much into one preseason game.

[Bengalbug]

(Yesterday, 04:53 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: TY for proving my point, he beat them 3 times and that qualifies as anybody. He also put over 30 points on them in 2024 twice and missed FG's = losses. 

Plus the change of the guy responsible for coaching them up. The guy who influences two dozen players every game. I’m not going to blame Lou, but what he was doing was not working. Either it wasn’t resonating with the players, bad scheme fit…

I will trust that Al golden, who just got done coaching 18-22 year olds to be able to get more out of guys that are 25 or younger, better than Lou.

[Bengalstripes9]

I have 2024 vibes with the defense we saw last week.

We would need a good amount of injuries to key players on offense to have a 2010 type season.

In all honesty Im thinking this could be the year Burrow wins the MVP.
It’s going to be all on him and the offense.
If we make the playoffs i think Burrow wins MVP.

[Bengalstripes9]

(Yesterday, 04:57 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Go look at commanders, eagles, chargers and broncos turnaround from 2023 to 2024. Actually I’ll do it for you.

2023:

Commanders 32nd in points, 32nd in yards.
Eagles 30th in points, 26th in yards.
Broncos 27th in points, 29th in yards.
Chargers 24th in points, 28th in yards.

2024:

Commanders 18th and 13th
Eagles 2nd and 1st
Broncos 3rd and 7th
Chargers 1st and 11th

3/4 teams replaced their DC in 2024 and the other in 2023. You could argue that the eagles, and commanders, brought in help (but they also lost players in the same offseason). The chargers and broncos returned almost the same team.

The biggest key to a turnaround seems to be coaching/scheme, not necessarily players.

This doesn’t mean Golden will be successful, but he could generate a boost up the rankings. It’s not inconceivable.

Philly hit on some key secondary players in the draft and had some young recent dline draftees ball out as well.

Denver definitely got better through their drafting as well leading up to last year.

For the bengals defense to step up we’ll need some recent draft picks to pan out.

Im expecting a lot of growing pains and a lot of our success depends on the offense being amazing.

[QueenCity]

I'm not worried fix the 0-2 starts and I'll take my chances with Burrow and Chase in the playoffs every single year.