Thursday Night

[OrlandoBengal]

(09-23-2016, 12:33 PM)Pat5775 Wrote: Uh... Guys? The patriots cheat. It's been proven several times and I have a feeling it's only the tip of the iceberg. God only knows what they haven't been caught doing. They aren't exactly a team I would hold to high standards

They have been caught, but are not the only team to push boundaries and skirt the rules.

[BengalFanInNJ]

You guys are missing an important point:

Look at all the Rutgers guys Belichick drafts. That's the key to success.

[Sweetness]

(09-23-2016, 12:33 PM)Pat5775 Wrote: Uh... Guys? The patriots cheat. It's been proven several times and I have a feeling it's only the tip of the iceberg. God only knows what they haven't been caught doing. They aren't exactly a team I would hold to high standards

If ya ain't cheatin ya ain't tryin. 

[RudiandCorey]

The Pats scored 14 points last night off of Kick Offs. Not Kick returns. Kick OFFS

Kicking High to the 1 - 5, and forcing a return. Two ensuing fumbles, and horrible field position for the Texans if they didn't fumble.

Why are we not imploring the same strategy?

[OrlandoBengal]

(09-23-2016, 01:21 PM)RudiandCorey Wrote: The Pats scored 14 points last night off of Kick Offs.   Not Kick returns.  Kick OFFS

Kicking High to the 1 - 5, and forcing a return.  Two ensuing fumbles, and horrible field position for the Texans if they didn't fumble.

Why are we not imploring the same strategy?

They have done this for a couple years.  Not every kickoff, but they do it quite a bit.

[RudiandCorey]

(09-23-2016, 01:30 PM)OrlandoBengal Wrote: They have done this for a couple years.  Not every kickoff, but they do it quite a bit.

Now that they get it at the 25, why are they not doing it every time?

 As of 2014, before they moved the kick off line up, Nug's 32.6 percent touchback rate was ranked 32nd out of 33 qualifying kickoff specialists



They were not doing it for strategy, they were doing it cause he has a weak leg.

[Ricky Spanish]

Wish they were playing Pittsburgh week 5

[JumboTron]

(09-23-2016, 12:33 PM)Pat5775 Wrote: Uh... Guys? The patriots cheat. It's been proven several times and I have a feeling it's only the tip of the iceberg. God only knows what they haven't been caught doing. They aren't exactly a team I would hold to high standards

One of my good friends I grew up with ended up playing eight seasons in the NFL for three teams, and has friends that played on many teams throughout the league. You'd be surprised how most teams operate in terms of gaining a competitive advantage week-to-week and year to year.  NE got caught pushing the limits yes, but most if not all clubs are subscribers to the "whatever means necessary" tactics and have been forever.

[Fan_in_Kettering]

(09-23-2016, 11:28 AM)3wt Wrote: L

I have heard this a lot, though I have not seen enough film of either team to see if it is true.  And I'm not really knowledgeable about what does/ does not work in terms of O-Line technique and scheme.

We have a number of members of the board who played college ball - including a number who played O-Line.

I'd be interested in knowing their thoughts on this - whether one scheme is better than the other, whether Alexander's is an unusual system and whether each system suits a particular style of player.

The only value I could see in having lineman stand up vs. fire out of their stance would be that it would be less of a tell that we are running or passing.  But there are so many other tells that that would seem to be a weak concept.

Particularly for a player like Hill it would seem to make more sense to fire out to establish momentum for the running back to take advantage of.

Thoughts?

Defensive linemen know if they can "stand up" an offensive lineman they just won the battle.  If an offensive lineman goes low, the defensive player is totally involved in absorbing the block and shaking off the offensive lineman.  If the defensive lineman can stand that offensive lineman up, the defensive tackle or end can absorb the block, raise their arms to bat down passes, and have leverage to move either direction and tackle a runner trying to shoot a gap.  It is also easier to spin an upright player out of the way and get to the quarterback!  An upright offensive lineman can only use their arm and pectoral power to block someone while an offensive lineman whose pads are pointed forward can use their entire body to move an end or tackle at will.  That is chapter and verse from Paul Brown.

Last night the Patriots' offensive line totally neutralized JJ Watt.  That's JJ Freakin' Watt. By utilizing proper technique, the New England line took one of the NFL's best defensive lineman out of the game.  There is no reason the Bengals cannot use the same technique.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(09-23-2016, 02:28 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Defensive linemen know if they can "stand up" an offensive lineman they just won the battle.  If an offensive lineman goes low, the defensive player is totally involved in absorbing the block and shaking off the offensive lineman.  If the defensive lineman can stand that offensive lineman up, the defensive tackle or end can absorb the block, raise their arms to bat down passes, and have leverage to move either direction and tackle a runner trying to shoot a gap.  It is also easier to spin an upright player out of the way and get to the quarterback!  An upright offensive lineman can only use their arm and pectoral power to block someone while an offensive lineman whose pads are pointed forward can use their entire body to move an end or tackle at will.  That is chapter and verse from Paul Brown.

Last night the Patriots' offensive line totally neutralized JJ Watt.  That's JJ Freakin' Watt. By utilizing proper technique, the New England line took one of the NFL's best defensive lineman out of the game.  There is no reason the Bengals cannot use the same technique.

Yeah there is one reason.....a stubborn....arrogant....blowhard coaching the position.

[BengalChris]

(09-23-2016, 01:21 PM)RudiandCorey Wrote: The Pats scored 14 points last night off of Kick Offs.   Not Kick returns.  Kick OFFS

Kicking High to the 1 - 5, and forcing a return.  Two ensuing fumbles, and horrible field position for the Texans if they didn't fumble.

Why are we not imploring the same strategy?

Imploring or Employing?

I assume you mean "employing". The answer is because Marvin Lewis is our coach.

[*rfaulk34*]

(09-23-2016, 07:32 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Bill Belichick was an epic failure as the coach of the Cleveland Browns.  But, in his defense, only Sam Rutigliano, Blanton Collier, and Paul Brown were successful in Cleveland.  With that being said, Belichick almost ended up in the AFC North.  Here's the result of some quick research I did:

In Belichick's last season in Cleveland the Browns finished 5–11, despite starting 3-1. In November of that year in the middle of the ongoing football season, Browns owner Art Modell had announced he would move his franchise to Baltimore after the season. After first being given assurances that he would coach the transplanted Baltimore Ravens, Belichick was instead fired on February 14, 1996, one week after the shift was officially announced.

He wasn't a failure. He was getting better each year and he didn't have a franchise QB there. Even won a playoff game. He got the shaft in the end but he wasn't a failure by any measure.