(09-22-2020, 03:26 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Where did I say you were a democrat? You just seemed to give them quite a bit more of The benefit of the doubt. But it could just be me.
So the GOP is "going down a road' paved by Dems
The Nuclear option was bad. McConnell circa 2016 was objectively worse. McConnell circa 2020 is objectively even worse than that. It's not a matter of benefit of the doubt. It's just a matter of looking at what is happening.
As far as the road being paved by the Dems, if that's how you need to frame it to feel okay, that's fine. The fact is the Republicans are standing at a crossroads. They could mend fences or they can blow it all up.
(09-22-2020, 03:47 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: The Nuclear option was bad. McConnell circa 2016 was objectively worse. McConnell circa 2020 is objectively even worse than that. It's not a matter of benefit of the doubt. It's just a matter of looking at what is happening.
As far as the road being paved by the Dems, if that's how you need to frame it to feel okay, that's fine. The fact is the Republicans are standing at a crossroads. They could mend fences or they can blow it all up.
Of course, we both know what they're going to do.
Heck, maybe the GOP is trying to mend fences. They seem to be doing what the Dems wanted in 2016.
Bur enough about them. How do you feel? Should a POTUS be able to nominate a SCOTUS justice while he's still in office?
I say yes; whether it's on day 1 or day 1461 and that nominee should be vetted
Or as CJD alluded to, the end of the 60 vote rule for legislation. While it has been on the ropes for a while, bi-partisanship may officially be down for the count.
(09-22-2020, 03:57 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: Or as CJD alluded to, the end of the 60 vote rule for legislation. While it has been on the ropes for a while, bi-partisanship may officially be down for the count.
Honestly, that was in the cards before this. There have been calls for that for a while, ever since McConnell's "one-term president" remark.
"A great democracy has got to be progressive, or it will soon cease to be either great or a democracy..." - TR
"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR
(09-22-2020, 03:55 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Heck, maybe the GOP is trying to mend fences. They seem to be doing what the Dems wanted in 2016.
Bur enough about them. How do you feel? Should a POTUS be able to nominate a SCOTUS justice while he's still in office?
I say yes; whether it's on day 1 or day 1461
I agree with you. A president is a president for the entire 4 years.
Unfortunately, the past matters. You can't have 2016 and 2020 both happen the way they are going to happen and expect it to not further divide the country. And expecting the Democrats and their supporters to just allow the GOP to walk all over them just because "it is technically right" is not how humans work. They have memories. And the only thing democrats will remember whilr the GOP is ham-fistedly jamming their pick through in the next 2 months is how they sat on their asses for 10 months and just...pretended like Obama wasn't president because of their hatred for him and everything he stands for. And now, in 2020, the Democrats should respond in kind.
The gloves came off in 2016 and Republicans expecting the Democrats will just put the gloves back on and play ball the way it was meant to be played is not only absurd, it's insulting.
If the GOP wanted to mend fences, they'd nominate the most mediocre of picks in Merrick Garland. That is how you bring a country back together. Compromise. A world where no one is actually happy, but no one is totally ****** either. Politics don't have to be a zero sum game. It's just, in the last few decades, the politicians in Washington have made it that way on purpose.
(09-22-2020, 10:03 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I remember this conversation back in 2016. Although it was shown that the Dems were being hypocritical (see Harry Reid filibuster, see Biden's 1992 thoughts on filling SCOTUS in POTUS last year) every Liberal and the vast majority of conservatives in this forum acknowledged Obama should make the nomination and that nomination should be vetted
Fast forward to 2020 and we have the exact situation (including the hypocrisy) and every conservative acknowledges that Trump should make the nomination and that nomination should be vetted; while the vast majority of Liberals feel differently.
Maybe the liberals feel different based upon McConnell’s reasons in 2016?
Republicans know their base is corrupt and have poor character. They hide behind religion, while supporting people who brag about sexual assault, cheat on all 3 wives, marry a bisexual call girl, and pay off porn stars. They rally against gay people while having same sex affairs, they speak out on child sex trafficking while turning blind eyes to child molestation in gyms and get caught with child porn, they slam the fbi and our top law enforcement for 3.5 years but attack black athletes for calling out this same corruption and injustice. They slam cancel culture, when they started cancel culture from the jump (ask Kaep). Hypocrisy is their bloodline. They must be corrupt and openly hypocritical to maintain their bases support. The fact that American voters allow for this corruption without any backlash continues to debase this country, our constitution, and our Democracy.
The blatant hypocrisy after stealing a court seat from Obama 10 months prior to an election should outrage us all no matter what side. These are the people in charge? No one would trust a company who flaunted their hypocrisy so openly. Yet Republicans know their base lacks character, they have to do what they have to do, and American voters accept this.
Democrats could never. Hell, they got rid of the filibuster for federal judges and were promptly booted from power by American voters. Could you imagine stealing 2 supreme court seats in 4 years? But votes matter, and Dems can't play those games without consequences.
All progressive moves over the last 30 years are lost (same sex marriage, voting rights, civil rights laws, hate crimes, healthcare, paid leave, equal pay) and who knows what all will be left given what all will be overturned in the next 40 years with a 7-2 court, but votes matter and this only serves as a message that good guys finish last.
Quote:"Success doesn’t mean every single move they make is good" ~ Anonymous "Let not the dumb have to educate" ~ jj22
(09-22-2020, 03:43 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Except that won't prevent anything, but sure. Lot's of cope on display on Twitter right now. Seriously, the most cancerous place on Earth.
Depending on how you look at the Constitution, the Senate has no obligation even hold the trial.
Dems took swift heat when threatening to expanding Supreme court. American voters did not play with there attempt to fight back, so they are backing down from that idea.
Quote:"Success doesn’t mean every single move they make is good" ~ Anonymous "Let not the dumb have to educate" ~ jj22
Quote:Trump: Senate should block Obama's Supreme Court nominee
By ELIZA COLLINS
03/16/2016 07:36 AM EDT
President Barack Obama plans to announce his Supreme Court nominee on Wednesday, but Donald Trump thinks the Senate shouldn’t give the pick a hearing.
“I don’t think so, no I think they should do what they’re doing,” the front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination said on “Good Morning America” Wednesday. “I think they should wait until the next president and let the next president pick.”
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) have vowed not to give Obama's choice a hearing, let alone an up-or-down vote. Democrats and Republicans are gearing up instead for an intense political battle aimed at motivating their respective bases, with an eye toward key Senate races that could swing the balance of the upper chamber in the fall.
Trump repeated his position later on CNN’s “New Day,” saying that he wasn’t “in favor of going forward.”
Host Chris Cuomo then asked: What if Obama picked your sister?
“Then I would say the same thing,” said Trump, whose sister, Maryanne Trump Barry, is a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit who was nominated by President Bill Clinton.
In matters of the court as in all else, Trump's likely nomination has divided Republicans — many of whom fear a political wipeout in November if he is indeed their party's standard-bearer. Some conservatives argue that a President Trump could not be trusted with such a sensitive life-time appointment, while others counter that his choice would be better anyone Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton is likely to name.
As for Trump, he has promised to choose a conservative along the lines of the late Justice Antonin Scalia.
Someone like Scalia "would be my ideal," Trump told radio host Hugh Hewitt recently, noting that he had mentioned two names — Bill Pryor, who currently serves on the United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit, and Diane Sykes, a judge on the Seventh Circuit — as possible replacements.
But, he said, "the ideal would be Scalia reincarnated."
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
As long as Republicans have to play towards a low character, unethical, unconstitutional (accept for the 2nd amendment), hypocrisy loving base, there will always be a tweet or statement you will find from them that looks awfully corrupt in hindsight.
The problem isn't Republicans, it's their base, and the American voters acceptance of this "swamp" behavior from them. Republicans do what they need to do for votes, you can't criticize them for understanding their base.
Quote:"Success doesn’t mean every single move they make is good" ~ Anonymous "Let not the dumb have to educate" ~ jj22
(09-23-2020, 12:09 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You have to take my word for McConnell not being up for reelection since 2016?
No, I never said anything about McConnell not being up for reelection in 2016. You brought that up. That had nothing to do with my comments. Why would I be referencing that?
I mentioned the swift removal of the Dem majority after American voters didn't like the filibuster move.
I will however take your word on your vote (even though you mocked the hypocrisy in true Republican voter's poor character/prohypocrisy/anticonstitution form).
Quote:"Success doesn’t mean every single move they make is good" ~ Anonymous "Let not the dumb have to educate" ~ jj22
![[Image: oN5QAdY.png]](https://i.imgur.com/oN5QAdY.png)
![[Image: bfine-guns2.png]](https://i.ibb.co/YBkDQJV/bfine-guns2.png)
![[Image: 4CV0TeR.png]](https://i.imgur.com/4CV0TeR.png)
![[Image: j0fm5isx5po51.jpg?width=640&height=726&c...f2c47cc389]](https://preview.redd.it/j0fm5isx5po51.jpg?width=640&height=726&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=015858067ecdc84f54794eff9142d1f2c47cc389)
![[Image: ulVdgX6.jpg]](http://i.imgur.com/ulVdgX6.jpg)
![[Image: trump-scj-04032016.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/W33W4wRy/trump-scj-04032016.jpg)
![[Image: giphy.gif]](https://media0.giphy.com/media/1kwsTjL8BNqlszNtnCE/giphy.gif)
