Abbott has me rolling in the aisle laughing

[Sled21]

Biden said it was an empty threat. Lawrence Jones did "Man on the street" interviews with pompous DC elite residents last week, and to a person they were against this, saying "I don't think it is a good idea, those people need to stay in one area" (one pompous idiot even sniped he never heard of Texas). Now I can't wait for DeSantis to make his move and ship them to Delaware....    

You're move Biden....

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-migrant-bus-arrives-washington-d-c

Quote:A bus from Texas arrived in Washington, D.C. Wednesday morning, transporting dozens of illegal immigrants as part of Texas Gov. Greg Abbott’s new plan to counter federal immigration policies during an ongoing border crisis.

Abbott announced last week that he was directing the Texas Division of Emergency Management (TDEM) to transport migrants released from federal custody in Texas to the nation’s capital and other locations outside his state.
The bus pulled up at approximately 8 a.m. local time, blocks away from the U.S. Capitol building. Individuals disembarked one by one except for family units who exited together. They checked in with officials and had wristbands they were wearing cut off before being told they could go.

According to TDEM, Abbott’s plan is already working. The agency told Fox News on Monday that many of the communities that originally reached out for support – from the Rio Grande Valley to Terrell County – say the federal government stopped dropping immigrants in their towns since Abbott's announcement on April 6. Some had questioned whether Abbott’s plan to bus migrants was genuine. The White House dismissed it as a "publicity stunt." Even Texas state Rep. Matt Schaefer, a Republican, called it a "gimmick."

TDEM said it dispatched buses over the weekend to border communities where it coordinated with officials to identify these immigrants. The agency added that each bus has the capacity and supplies necessary to carry up to 40 migrants released in Texas communities and transport them to Washington, D.C.

Still, the governor's legal authority to transport busloads of migrants to the U.S. Capitol remains in question. The 2012 Supreme Court case, Arizona v. the United States, prevents states from making their own immigration policies.

Abbott insists that the federal government is failing to adequately address the situation. President Biden recently announced that he would be rescindingTitle 42, which was used to expel migrants swiftly due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

"Texans demand and deserve an aggressive, comprehensive strategy to secure our border—not President Biden's lackluster leadership," Abbott said in a statement. "As the federal government continues to roll back commonsense policies that once kept our communities safe, our local law enforcement has stepped up to protect Texans from dangerous criminals, deadly drugs, and illegal contraband flooding into the Lone Star State."

A saw a story the other day that gave the massive number of busses Texas brought in to do this, this is just the first.      

[GMDino]

Ladies and gentlemen, I present the party of law and order:

Quote:Still, the governor's legal authority to transport busloads of migrants to the U.S. Capitol remains in question. The 2012 Supreme Court case, Arizona v. the United States, prevents states from making their own immigration policies.

[Sled21]

(04-13-2022, 10:19 AM)GMDino Wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, I present the party of law and order:

What law is he breaking? He's giving them a ride. 

[GMDino]

(04-13-2022, 10:21 AM)Sled21 Wrote: What law is he breaking? He's giving them a ride. 

I mean it was discussed in your own post.

[Sled21]

(04-13-2022, 10:23 AM)GMDino Wrote: I mean it was discussed in your own post.

No, it wasn't. Abbott is not making immigration law, he's giving people a ride.

Good enough for Texas, Arizona and Florida.. good enough for the elite's in DC and New England.

[*Nately120*]

What is the operational definition of an "elite?"

[HarleyDog]

I hear Martha's Vineyard can take about 100K immigrants.

[GMDino]

(04-13-2022, 10:48 AM)Nately120 Wrote: What is the operational definition of an "elite?"

It's like porn.  They know it when they see it.

As long has it isn't a gold plated apartment, gold toilet, etc.

[*Nately120*]

So 20 years ago illegals were "guest workers" here to do the jobs union-lazy and over-paid Americans didn't want to do.  Now they're just a wave of rapey criminals.  Where do we go from here?

Ida know, hasn't everyone here lived his/her entire life with illegals working around us, behind the scenes or not?  It's just interesting to see how perceptions can change when political power is the reward.

Times do change.  I guess Ronald Reagan granting amnesty like he did in 1986 must make him a real America-hating liberal in hindsight. 

[Sled21]

(04-13-2022, 11:21 AM)Nately120 Wrote: So 20 years ago illegals were "guest workers" here to do the jobs union-lazy and over-paid Americans didn't want to do.  Now they're just a wave of rapey criminals.  Where do we go from here?

Ida know, hasn't everyone here lived his/her entire life with illegals working around us, behind the scenes or not?  It's just interesting to see how perceptions can change when political power is the reward.

Times do change.  I guess Ronald Reagan granting amnesty like he did in 1986 must make him a real America-hating liberal in hindsight. 

20 years ago we had "illegal", ie migrant workers, coming in mostly from Mexico. Now it is wave after wave of people, mostly single men, coming from countries not so friendly with America, and we have zero idea of who they are. You make fun of people, using words like "rapey," but did you ever look at the percentage of women and girls who report they were raped on the trip by the cartel member, coyotes, and fellow migrants, or did you just dismiss it because Trump said it? And it's been going on for decades. Even the NYT's admits it. It only became a joke because Trump said it. I don't find that funny in the least. We also did not have the amount of Fentanyl coming across the border, which caused over 100,000 overdoses last year. 18,000 people a day we have no idea who these people are. 
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/03/us/border-rapes-migrant-women.html

Quote:‘You Have to Pay With Your Body’: The Hidden Nightmare of Sexual Violence on the Border

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MCALLEN, Tex. — It was dark in the stash house where they kept her, the windows covered so no one could see inside. At first, the smugglers had her cook for the other migrants who had recently crossed illegally into the United States. Then they took her to a room upstairs, locked the door and began taking turns with her.
It was the summer of 2014, and Melvin, a 36-year-old mother of three, had just completed the journey from her native Guatemala, crossing the Rio Grande on a raft before being led to the house in the Texas border city of McAllen.
For weeks in that locked room, the men she had paid to get her safely to the United States drugged her with pills and cocaine, refusing to let her out even to bathe. “I think that since they put me in that room, they killed me,” she said. “They raped us so many times they didn’t see us as human beings anymore.”
On America’s southern border, migrant women and girls are the victims of sexual assaults that most often go unreported, uninvestigated and unprosecuted. Even as women around the world are speaking out against sexual misconduct, migrant women on the border live in the shadows of the #MeToo movement.


The stories are many, and yet all too similar. Undocumented women making their way into American border towns have been beaten for disobeying smugglers, impregnated by strangers, coerced into prostitution, shackled to beds and trees and — in at least a handful of cases — bound with duct tape, rope or handcuffs.
The New York Times found dozens of documented cases through interviews with law enforcement officials, prosecutors, federal judges and immigrant advocates around the country, and a review of police reports and court records in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California. The review showed more than 100 documented reports of sexual assault of undocumented women along the border in the past two decades, a number that most likely only skims the surface, law enforcement officials and advocates say.



In addition, interviews with migrant women and those working with them along the border point to large numbers of cases that are either unreported or unexamined, suggesting that sexual violence has become an inescapable part of the collective migrant journey.
[Read the Newsletter: Yes, There Was Duct Tape: The Harrowing Journeys of Migrants Across the Border. Sign up for Crossing the Border here]
President Trump has used the threat faced by migrant women to make his case for a border wall. “One in three women are sexually assaulted on the dangerous trek up through Mexico,” he said in January — an estimate that appears to have originated from some limited surveys, one of them by Doctors Without Borders, of women traveling through Mexico.




But less understood is that the violence that befalls migrant women happens not just during the perilous journey through Mexico: Much of it happens after women reach the supposed safety of the United States.
In July, a 23-year-old Honduran woman told the authorities that she was sexually assaulted in a bedroom closet by a smuggler who had helped her and her sister cross into the South Texas city of Mission. The following month, a sheriff’s deputy in San Antonio was charged with sexually assaulting the 4-year-old daughter of an undocumented Guatemalan woman and threatening to have her deported if she reported the abuse. In 2017, a guide leading a group of migrants through the Tohono O’odham Nation’s reservation in Arizona raped a woman from El Salvador twice during a seven-day desert hike, threatening to leave her stranded if she resisted. “I hope I leave you pregnant so you have one of my kids,” he said, the woman told the authorities.


In 2016, a migrant woman fled a stash house in the South Texas city of Edinburg, where she said she had been raped by a smuggler who brandished a machete. In West Texas that same year, two teenage girls reported that they had been sexually assaulted by a Customs and Border Protection officer, who they said forced them to strip, fondled them, then tried to get them to stop crying by offering chocolates, potato chips and a blanket. In an unusual turn, the girls filed legal claims against the federal government, which settled the case in 2018 for $125,000.
At least five of the women who were assaulted — in one case, bound with duct tape, raped and stabbed — were attacked not by migrant smugglers, who are often the perpetrators, but by on-duty Border Patrol agents and Customs officers.
Experts say the actual number of sexual assaults is almost certainly much higher than those documented by prosecutors and the police, because most attacks are never reported. And such attacks don’t end at the border. Women have reported being assaulted in immigration detention facilities, and the federal government over a recent four-year period has received more than 4,500 complaints about the sexual abuse of immigrant children at government-funded detention facilities.
The Times interviewed eight migrant women from Central America who were sexually assaulted between 2013 and 2016 — women still struggling with nightmares, depression and in some cases, thoughts of suicide. One reported that she was attacked in Mexico; six said they were assaulted in South Texas. One said she was attacked in both Mexico and South Texas. The oldest victims were in their early 40s when they were attacked; the two youngest were 14.
Most of their attackers were never prosecuted or identified, and The Times was not able to independently verify the women’s accounts. But all eight women either gave sworn testimony or submitted statements under penalty of perjury to the federal government in order to qualify for visas, and cooperated with the police in the investigation of their cases.



They described a netherworld of fear that coexists with the bustling life of American cities up and down the border. One woman told of being held prisoner in a house that had been turned into a makeshift brothel in McAllen, a city of 143,000 in the Rio Grande Valley. “Nueva carne” — new meat, the smugglers said as she and other migrant women were led into the house, said the woman, Lucy, 45, a migrant from Honduras who, like others interviewed, did not want her last name used.
She said a series of men came into the house over the next several days and raped her. “Because I didn’t want to let them, they tied my feet together and my hands behind my back,” Lucy said.
Gladys, 45, a mother of four from Guatemala, said she was kidnapped by armed smugglers after crossing the border and jumped out of a car to escape, but was captured again. For days, she was held prisoner at a stash house in McAllen and forced to have sex with six men. “I thought it would be better if I died when I fell from the car,” she said.
Law enforcement officials on the border said they had made arrests in many of the cases brought to them and would pursue more if they could. But the majority of women who have been assaulted do not report it, often because their attackers threaten to expose their immigration status — or worse — if they do. One woman, raped repeatedly at gunpoint in a stash house in Phoenix in 2005, said her attacker threatened to sell her 3-year-old daughter if she reported him. Those who do go to the authorities may not know the names of their attackers, or even where the assault occurred. Smugglers make sure their clients are unsure of their whereabouts; if they are detained by Border Patrol, they won’t be able to pinpoint where they were held.
[Read: Open Wounds, Head Injuries, Fever: Ailing Migrants Suffer at the Border]
The women are powerless by almost any measure. Most of the eight interviewed now live in the United States after receiving the victim-related visas. They work in stores, restaurants and factories, most barely making a living. Their English is limited. Many of them have not even told their families what happened.
“They don’t have many defenses,” said Jesus R. Romo Vejar, an Arizona lawyer who has represented many migrant women victimized by sexual assault. “Undocumented women and children are the most unprotected of human beings.”


Here are some of their stories.





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Lucy, 45, was raped while being forced to work at makeshift brothels, first in Mexico and then in McAllen, Texas.Credit...Caitlin O'Hara for The New York Times
They just told us, ‘You have to pay with your body.’
Lucy, 45, was raped while being forced to work at makeshift brothels, first in Mexico and then in McAllen.
When we got to the house, there were many women. It was a big house. I couldn’t see everybody’s face, but there were different women in different rooms for prostitution. I wanted to flee but I was afraid they were going to kill me. They just told us, “You guys don’t have money, so you have to pay with your body.”
When we crossed the river, there was a man waiting, a white guy with tattoos. He was in a truck. We got into the truck. He brought us into a house in McAllen. When we got there, the guy started talking and he said that I was new meat.
When they wanted to have sex with me they had to tie me up because I wasn’t cooperative. They tied my feet together and my hands behind my back and then they’d have sex with me from behind.
Before, I could not talk about this. I would have panic, really serious panic. I didn’t want to leave the house. I didn’t want to talk to anybody. I thought that everyone in the world saw me as a prostitute. I come from a poor family but a very decent family.
It has affected me, yes. But not anymore. I’m kind of enraged. Those guys have mothers and daughters. What they did to us is what they did to women.





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Every time I closed my eyes, the men would appear.
Melvin, 36, was raped and forced into prostitution in a locked room at a stash house in McAllen.
I lost count of how long I was there for. It wasn’t me anymore. I think that since they put me in that room, they killed me. They have no mercy. They don’t care that you’re a mother, that you have family. They see someone who doesn’t matter to them.
And I still remember while I was with them there, it was my birthday, and I didn’t want to, not that day. And I remember that he grabbed me and at one point bit me, and when I arrived at the detention center, I still had the bite marks. I told them that it was my birthday. And according to them, the rape that day was for my birthday.
I tried to commit suicide three times. Because you can’t live with all of that. And every time I closed my eyes, the men would appear. You’d shower. You’d close your eyes. They were there. I didn’t want to live with that in my head anymore. But here I am.





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J.E.Credit...Caitlin O'Hara for The New York Times
I didn’t know what to do. My feet were tied up.
J.E., 19, and two other migrants were kidnapped in South Texas by a Border Patrol agent, Esteban Manzanares, when J.E. was 14. He raped her in his apartment in Mission, Tex., and later committed suicide.
He took me and tied me up to a tree. He said he would come back. I was thinking about my little brother, who’s in Honduras, and I’d never see him again. He was about 10, I think. It was hours.
He undid me from the tree and put me in the car. In the apa.rtment, there were two beds on top of the other, children’s bunk beds, and ropes there, too. They were shoelaces. For my wrists and my feet



My mind was blank. I was trying to understand everything. I didn’t know what to do. My feet were tied up. I would look at him and he had a gun. And that frightened me. I asked him why, and he answered me that he was doing this to me because I was the prettiest one of the three.
There are people who sort of discard you when they know what happened to you. But the majority of my girlfriends do know so they can understand what I went through, and they support me.
He bit my mouth so I could not cry out.
V.E.M.L., 39, was raped in the South Texas brush by a smuggling guide. She was apprehended, detained at the Hutto detention center in Taylor, Tex., and later deported.
I knew that they were the ones who were going to take me across, so I knew that I had to stay with them. I never learned his name. I felt nervous about him. He was very strange. I wasn’t sure if he was on drugs. He always stood up and sat down, and stood up and sat down.
The older one walked ahead. The younger one said, “Come with me.”
I said, “Where are we going?” And he said, “We’re going to catch up with them ahead.”
He bit my mouth so I could not cry out. I was scared that it might occur to him to kill me.
Afterwards, he told me to hurry up or he would leave me there on the ground. The guys in the group start saying, “Immigration! Immigration!” I ran toward Immigration. I wanted to get away. But then when they took me and put me in the car, I felt frustrated and alone. I just felt like I couldn’t stop crying. They were all men agents. They kept asking me why I was crying and I couldn’t explain.
When they brought me to Laredo, I told a doctor what happened. He said, “Don’t feel like you’re the only one that this happened to. This has happened to many other women.”







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Cindy and her son.Credit...Caitlin O’Hara for The New York Times
I had been marked because of what had happened to me, that violation.
Cindy, 26, and her son Samuel stayed at a stash house in Mexico while waiting to cross the border. She and another woman were raped by a smuggler, and she learned after being apprehended by Border Patrol that she was pregnant. Samuel is now 8. His little brother, to whom Cindy gave the biblical name of Adonai, is 2.
When he entered the room, he had the gun. He took the children out. He had the gun and he pointed the gun at my head when he was attacking us. First he abused me and then he abused her. We’re in his power and we feel like we’re disposable. We can’t do anything because it’s like they tell us, they can kill us and nobody will say anything.
It wasn’t until that test that I knew I was pregnant. In that moment, it was like I had been marked. I had been marked because of what had happened to me, that violation.
I wanted to kill myself. Going to the psychologist, that’s what helped me heal. She told me that we had to talk about it, we had to think about it, and we had to learn to live with our lives moving forward, even with what happened.
My son, I realized he was an innocent bystander in this situation and that it wasn’t his fault. My motivation to keep going in life are my two kids. I thank God because everything that I suffered, they’re the happiness that came out of that.

[*Nately120*]

So is this stuff funny, or not? You're the one who said you are rolling in the aisles over this.

Also, your article is unsettling, but it is from 2019 and highlights multiple offenses that took place during the pre-Biden presidencies. Including that guy I'm not supposed to name.

[GMDino]

Another "knee slapper" from Abbott.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-12/top-texas-farm-official-blasts-governor-s-border-crackdown?utm_medium=social&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic

Quote:Texas Ag Commissioner Blasts Governor’s Border Crackdown

• Ag commissioner predicts avocados could soar to $5 apiece
• Mexican governors urge Abbott to end 18-wheeler inspections
  

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Texas Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller blasted Governor Greg Abbott’s “catastrophic” crackdown on cross-border trucking and warned it will lead to food shortages in the second-largest U.S. state.


Miller, who like Abbott is a Republican, said the governor’s six-day old program of heightened vehicle inspections at Texas-Mexico border crossings is strangling commerce and doing nothing to curb undocumented migrations. The GOP infighting is a sign of rising tensions between the pro-business and law-and-order factions of the Texas Republican Party.

Mexican truckers began blockading a key border bridge on Monday to protest Abbott’s decision last week to deploy state troopers to conduct vehicle inspections. Traffic at the Pharr-Reynosa International Bridge has ground to a halt and trucks diverted to other crossings are causing huge delays. 

“This is not solving the border problem, it is increasing the cost of food and adding to supply chain shortages,” Miller said in a statement on his office website. “Such a misguided program is going to quickly lead to $2 lemons, $5 avocados and worse.”

Texas shares more than two dozen border crossings with the Mexican states of Tamaulipas, Nuevo Leon, Coahuila and Chihuahua. In addition to Pharr, Abbott’s inspection stations are impacting commercial truck traffic in the Texas border cities of Laredo and El Paso. 

READ: Truck Blockade at U.S.-Mexico Border Imperils $440 Billion Trade

The blockade is also becoming an issue in Abbott’s campaign to win a third term in November’s general election.
“Abbott’s political stunts are causing inflation, driving up prices, and hurting businesses throughout Texas,” Beto O’Rourke, the Democratic nominee for governor who will challenge Abbott on Nov. 8, said in a tweet.

Abbott is expected to meet with Nuevo Leon Governor Samuel Garcia at the Colombia-Solidarity International Bridge near Laredo, Texas on Wednesday afternoon. The governors of the border states of Tamaulipas and Coahuila sent a letter on Tuesday night, urging Abbott to end the “overzealous inspections” that are  “holding the border hostage”  and causing expensive delays to an already-fragile supply chains. 

“If something is not done immediately, the average consumer cost will skyrocket within days,” the governors said. “People are having trouble putting food on their tables, and these policies will make it harder.” 
(Updates with border crossing information in the fifth paragraph and comments from Mexican governors in the final two paragraphs.)


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[CKwi88]

(04-13-2022, 01:02 PM)Sled21 Wrote: 20 years ago we had "illegal", ie migrant workers, coming in mostly from Mexico. Now it is wave after wave of people, mostly single men, coming from countries not so friendly with America, and we have zero idea of who they are. You make fun of people, using words like "rapey," but did you ever look at the percentage of women and girls who report they were raped on the trip by the cartel member, coyotes, and fellow migrants, or did you just dismiss it because Trump said it? And it's been going on for decades. Even the NYT's admits it. It only became a joke because Trump said it. I don't find that funny in the least. We also did not have the amount of Fentanyl coming across the border, which caused over 100,000 overdoses last year. 18,000 people a day we have no idea who these people are. 
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/03/us/border-rapes-migrant-women.html

That article sure is a wonderful argument for a more streamlined and accessible immigration so migrants don't have to resort to using coyotes and cartels. 

Laughing at a governor transplanting migrants and dumping them in a foreign place with no plan and no resources as a political stunt just makes you a tool. 

[BigPapaKain]

I'm a simple man with narry a toe dipped into the rule of law, but isn't transporting illegals across state boarders trafficking and incredibly illegal?

[*Nately120*]

(04-13-2022, 04:42 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: I'm a simple man with narry a toe dipped into the rule of law, but isn't transporting illegals across state boarders trafficking and incredibly illegal?

Yeah, but he's sending them somewhere where they're more like to harm liberals or the children of liberals, so it's cool.  Side note, remember when Steve Bannon was indicted for pocketing money that was supposed to go to securing the border and Donald "super secure border" Trump decided to prevent him from facing justice?

Anyways, if I laugh any harder about this I'm liable to end up with a prolapsed rectum. 

[Sled21]

(04-13-2022, 01:23 PM)Nately120 Wrote: So is this stuff funny, or not?  You're the one who said you are rolling in the aisles over this.

Also, your article is unsettling, but it is from 2019 and highlights multiple offenses that took place during the pre-Biden presidencies.  Including that guy I'm not supposed to name.

Yes, it has been a problem for decades. Trump had it under control, Biden opened the floodgates. If you are denying that you are delusional.

[Sled21]

(04-13-2022, 02:52 PM)GMDino Wrote: Another "knee slapper" from Abbott.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-12/top-texas-farm-official-blasts-governor-s-border-crackdown?utm_medium=social&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic

I could give a flip about the cost of avocados. Increase the heck out of these inspections, stop the fentanyl and human trafficking the left seems to love.

[Sled21]

(04-13-2022, 04:42 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: I'm a simple man with narry a toe dipped into the rule of law, but isn't transporting illegals across state boarders trafficking and incredibly illegal?

How so, the Biden Adminstration let them in. Abbott is just giving them a ride out of state. Did you read the article? These people were released from Federal Custody and dropped off in Austin for Texas to deal with. Texas just said "you need a lift, we have busses going to the nation's Capital"

[Sled21]

(04-13-2022, 05:38 PM)Nately120 Wrote:
Yeah, but he's sending them somewhere where they're more like to harm liberals or the children of liberals, so it's cool.  Side note, remember when Steve Bannon was indicted for pocketing money that was supposed to go to securing the border and Donald "super secure border" Trump decided to prevent him from facing justice?

Anyways, if I laugh any harder about this I'm liable to end up with a prolapsed rectum. 

As opposed to sending them somewhere where they're more likely to harm conservatives or the children of conservatives??? Which you seem to be super cool with.

[Sled21]

(04-13-2022, 04:26 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: That article sure is a wonderful argument for a more streamlined and accessible immigration so migrants don't have to resort to using coyotes and cartels. 

Laughing at a governor transplanting migrants and dumping them in a foreign place with no plan and no resources as a political stunt just makes you a tool. 

Like say.... Texas? Oh wait, the state is now supposed to take care of them, right?