Bern it up with Sanders or burn it down with Trump

[basballguy]

I've seen this mentality across the internet the past few weeks. Wondering if that's really the case. Are Bernie supports so jaded by Hillary and so desperate for a change that they would vote Trump?

I get the mentality, just curious if anyone here has that mindset. And if so, why?

[JustWinBaby]

I'd probably prefer Drumpf over Berniezuela

[Benton]

I don't know if it's a "burn it down" but I think a lot of people are just tired of the same shit. The majority of the GOP ticket are career politicians who are going to try to spend more and tax the rich less. Doesn't work. Clinton is like most of the career politicians who are going to try to spend more and tax the poor less. Doesn't work.

Bernie and Trump offer two very different approaches. Trump, largely, is just advocating a lot of the already hashed out GOP platform — bomb people, blame illegals for all the problems, complain about taxes — but he doesn't have the same track record of doing absolutely nothing to help like the other candidates on his ticket. Bernie is voicing something different than his party and has a record to back it up, but we've become conditioned to fear old white guys.

[JustWinBaby]

(03-09-2016, 04:27 PM)Benton Wrote: Clinton is like most of the career politicians who are going to try to spend more and tax the poor less. Doesn't work.

Bernie is voicing something different than his party and has a record to back it up, but we've become conditioned to fear old white guys.

Isn't Bernie going to do exactly what you say Clinton will do, only on steroids?

You seem to be supporting Bernie even though he wants to ramp-up the policies that, you acknowledge, don't work.

It's not because he's an old, white guy that we should fear Bernie....it's because he wants to go all-in on failed policies.  But I'll be damned if chasing out all the rich people from this country won't solve our inequality problem!

[Benton]

(03-09-2016, 05:11 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Isn't Bernie going to do exactly what you say Clinton will do, only on steroids?

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no.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(03-09-2016, 04:27 PM)Benton Wrote: I don't know if it's a "burn it down" but I think a lot of people are just tired of the same shit. The majority of the GOP ticket are career politicians who are going to try to spend more and tax the rich less. Doesn't work.  Clinton is like most of the career politicians who are going to try to spend more and tax the poor less. Doesn't work.

Bernie and Trump offer two very different approaches. Trump, largely, is just advocating a lot of the already hashed out GOP platform — bomb people, blame illegals for all the problems, complain about taxes — but he doesn't have the same track record of doing absolutely nothing to help like the other candidates on his ticket. Bernie is voicing something different than his party and has a record to back it up, but we've become conditioned to fear old white guys.

I think Trump is gaining steam due to his talk about taking outsourcing corporations to task with penalties and tariffs....but you don't see a lot of that talk in our world of soundbites.  I don't like the guy......at all, but I like that talk.  Probably double talk, but I like that it is being talked about at least.....more than you can say for the mainstream candidates.

[Mike M (the other one)]

Well that's my order for voting.
Bern, then Trump.

I don't want the same thing we've had with Hillary or any other Republican. Try something different and see what happens.

[GMDino]

(03-09-2016, 06:30 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Well that's my order for voting.
Bern, then Trump.

I don't want the same thing we've had with Hillary or any other Republican. Try something different and see what happens.

[JustWinBaby]

(03-09-2016, 05:51 PM)Benton Wrote: no.

Really?  So Bernie isn't talking about blowing out spending and raising taxes?

Or maybe you just believe in the magical power of the almighty printing press.

[Rotobeast]

(03-09-2016, 06:30 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Well that's my order for voting.
Bern, then Trump.

I don't want the same thing we've had with Hillary or any other Republican. Try something different and see what happens.

I've been considering giving the finger to establishment politics. 
I'm going to have a look at Gary Johnson first though.

[JustWinBaby]

(03-09-2016, 05:56 PM)Wyche Wrote: I think Trump is gaining steam due to his talk about taking outsourcing corporations to task with penalties and tariffs

It's actually a really interesting point I've been debating myself.  And Romney made some good points at how difficult (and destructive) the policy can be if it kicks off rampant trade wars.

But the real wealth transfer is developing countries taking our jobs.  We can demagogue corporations for outsourcing, but it's part of the game to remain globally competitive.   The problem is those countries don't become buyers and equal trading partners overnight, so Trump may be on the right track if he's talking about "managing" free trade.

Although robotics and AI are global job killers, and I haven't heard anyone talk about it reasonably much less offer practical solutions. 

[JustWinBaby]

(03-09-2016, 06:36 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: I've been considering giving the finger to establishment politics. 
I'm going to have a look at Gary Johnson first though.

Yep, if it's Trump or Cruz I'm voting Gary Johnson.

[Benton]

(03-09-2016, 06:33 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Really?  So Bernie isn't talking about blowing out spending and raising taxes?

Or maybe you just believe in the magical power of the almighty printing press.

it's like conversating with you on healthcare. You and I disagree. I can spend 20 minutes getting links and pointing out why, you'll spend 20 seconds not reading any of it. In the end, you're going to believe what you're conditioned to believe.

so the simple answer... No, they aren't the same.

[RoyleRedlegs]

(03-09-2016, 05:56 PM)Wyche Wrote: I think Trump is gaining steam due to his talk about taking outsourcing corporations to task with penalties and tariffs....but you don't see a lot of that talk in our world of soundbites.  I don't like the guy......at all, but I like that talk.  Probably double talk, but I like that it is being talked about at least.....more than you can say for the mainstream candidates.

Considering most of Trump's own manufacturing and labor is outsourced or immigrants, it's safe to say it is double talk. 

[JustWinBaby]

(03-09-2016, 06:45 PM)Benton Wrote: it's like conversating with you on healthcare. You and I disagree. I can spend 20 minutes getting links and pointing out why, you'll spend 20 seconds not reading any of it. In the end, you're going to believe what you're conditioned to believe.

so the simple answer... No, they aren't the same.

You mean, you''ll post some economic "analysis" you don't understand and then pretend we disagree?  Yep, pretty much the same as with healthcare.

It's not what I'm conditioned to believe, it's what I'm educated to understand.  That's why Bernie's message is so powerful with the economically ignorant.

But back to the question....Bernie's plan isn't to blow out spending and increase taxes???

[CageTheBengal]

I'm a Bernie supporter but I could never vote for Trump. How someone could back Bernie whos message is about honesty and integrity then flip to Trump is beyond me.

Trump is a bigot and a piece of garbage.

[Vlad]

(03-09-2016, 04:27 PM)Benton Wrote: I don't know if it's a "burn it down" but I think a lot of people are just tired of the same shit. The majority of the GOP ticket are career politicians who are going to try to spend more and tax the rich less. Doesn't work.  Clinton is like most of the career politicians who are going to try to spend more and tax the poor less. Doesn't work.

Bernie and Trump offer two very different approaches. Trump, largely, is just advocating a lot of the already hashed out GOP platform — bomb people, blame illegals for all the problems, complain about taxes — but he doesn't have the same track record of doing absolutely nothing to help like the other candidates on his ticket. Bernie is voicing something different than his party and has a record to back it up, but we've become conditioned to fear old white guys.

Eh..Bernie is a Jewish ultra liberal. He gets a pass on the old white man thing. That label is served best for the old white conservative Christian man, not so much for dorks like Joe Biden.


Speaking of, how much of the "Bernie is too old" rhetoric have you heard from the mainstream as compared to what John McCain received? ...not nearly as much, and McCain was younger.

So you support Crazy Bernie? What finally did it for you?...when he said what is music to the ears of white guilt self loathing liberals ... " a white man has no idea what it's like to be poor"..?

[CKwi88]

Great election cycle. Establishment v establishment. Neo socialist vs neo fascist.


It's not at all depressing...

[JustWinBaby]

(03-09-2016, 07:22 PM)CageTheBengal Wrote: I'm a Bernie supporter but I could never vote for Trump. How someone could back Bernie whos message is about honesty and integrity then flip to Trump is beyond me.

Trump is a bigot and a piece of garbage.

Well, fortunately Bernie is not going to get the nomination and Trump has no chance of winning the general because at least 1/3 of Repubs are going to stay home or vote for Hillary.  Although if he tweaks/targets his message just right he might pick-up truckloads of disillusioned Bernie supporters.  

I'd probably be fine with Hillary is it wasn't for the lies and corruption.  I think she'll be effective, because I don't think she has any principles and won't be burdened by whatever BS campaign promises she made to get elected.  Just don't ask any questions on how she gets things done  

Although if Trump promises to take from illegals and African Americans to give out free stuff he might be unstoppable!

[JustWinBaby]

(03-09-2016, 07:52 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: Great election cycle. Establishment v establishment. Neo socialist vs neo fascist.


It's not at all depressing...

Ehhhh, let's face it....things work best when the Establishment is the adult in the room getting things done and the radicals in both parties shape, rather than dictate, direction.

Part of the problem is the moderates in both parties have lost their voice and the inmates are running the asylum.