Biden’s Vaccine Mandates: IRONY? HYPOCRITICAL?

[BFritz21]

Many women (and I assume some men) voted for Biden for the abortion rights of women under the premise of “my body, my choice.”

Biden’s vaccine mandates will force people to get an injection into their body against their choice.

An argument can be made that killing a baby (or fetus) inside of a woman isn’t her body, but the same argument can’t be made when forcing someone to have something injected into their bodies, so aren’t Biden’s vaccine mandates hypocritical?

Will the same people that protest for abortion rights show up in DC protesting the vaccine mandates?

[*jason*]

Those people have a choice to go work somewhere else. Just like a smoker or a pothead have the choice to not work in a hospital. No one is holding anyone down and injecting them against their will. That is being forced. Freedom comes with consequences for choices. That seems to be lost on some people nowadays.

[*Nately120*]

If you don't like abortion and vaccine mandates can't you just move to Texas?  Choose to move your body to Texas.


Actually, vaccine mandates have been around my entire life.  Up yours, smallpox!

[HarleyDog]

(10-22-2021, 01:57 PM)jason Wrote:  No one is holding anyone down and injecting them against their will. 

Yet.

[*Nately120*]

(10-22-2021, 02:32 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Yet.

If people followed the rules and stopped resisting they wouldn't have to be forcibly restrained by agents of the government.  Unvaccinated Lives Matter.

[Dill]

(10-22-2021, 12:44 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Many women (and I assume some men) voted for Biden for the abortion rights of women under the premise of “my body, my choice.”

Biden’s vaccine mandates will force people to get an injection into their body against their choice.

An argument can be made that killing a baby (or fetus) inside of a woman isn’t her body, but the same argument can’t be made when forcing someone to have something injected into their bodies, so aren’t Biden’s vaccine mandates hypocritical?

Will the same people that protest for abortion rights show up in DC protesting the vaccine mandates?

I don't know if one can argue that killing a fetus inside a woman's body, or forcing her to carry one to term, 
doesn't involve her body, and her rights over it. I'll save that discussion for a future thread on irony and hypocrisy.

But I can say with some confidence that most Americans are fine with vaccine mandates relating to diseases like measles and polio--just not with COVID vaccines when Biden is president.  Then our "freedoms" take priority over protecting the public.

So likely some of the people protesting abortion clinics will protest vaccine mandates, but those defending abortion rights won't. 

In any case vaccine mandates don't take away "choices"; they take away options--like employment at a hospital where your decision NOT to get vaccinated puts others at risk. 

Each person has to decide on his/her priorities.  E.g., Fox news has mandated its employees HAVE to be vaccinated. 

If any choose not to, then they cannot go on air and undermine public confidence in mandates, medical science and Biden.

[Benton]

Couple things are wrong with this line of thinking.

The first is public health mandates. We already have those. We've had those for decades. There are some exemptions, just as there will likely be with any future health mandates.

Second, abortion shouldn't be a measuring stick for every argument. It's like calling people Nazis, it's erroneous and a disservice to the discussion. Mandatory vaccines are a reasonable discussion; so is abortion. That doesn't make them interchangable.

[*michaelsean*]

(10-22-2021, 02:58 PM)Benton Wrote: Couple things are wrong with this line of thinking.

The first is public health mandates. We already have those. We've had those for decades. There are some exemptions, just as there will likely be with any future health mandates.

Second, abortion shouldn't be a measuring stick for every argument. It's like calling people Nazis, it's erroneous and a disservice to the discussion. Mandatory vaccines are a reasonable discussion; so is abortion. That doesn't make them interchangable.

Well when people say being pro life means you have to be anti-death penalty or anti-war then I guess people can say pro-choice means pro-choice.

[BigPapaKain]

Seat belts, speed limits, Polio and Smallpox vaccines, clean water, clean air, People with Disabilities act, and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

If people can't be trusted to make the country better, the government can, will, and has forced them to.

[Benton]

(10-22-2021, 04:39 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Well when people say being pro life means you have to be anti-death penalty or anti-war then I guess people can say pro-choice means pro-choice.

That's the problem with ad hoc arguments. Sure, it sounds good to say stuff like sugar kills more people than bullets, so if you're pro sugar, you're pro guns... But it doesn't address gun control issues.

Liking lower taxes doesn't make you anti union.
Liking the death penalty doesnt make you anti life.
Liking no death penalty doesnt make you pro crime.
Liking porn doesn't make you anti marriage.
Liking marriage doesn't make you anti people banging.

People can tee their arguments off whatever polarizing issue they want, it shouldn't be par for the course. Anti death penalty? Argue that shit on its own merits. Don't like taxes? Prove why. Pro life? Show it. 

But pro/anti-something and all you're going to do is say there's something better or worse? Take a mulligan.

[BFritz21]

(10-22-2021, 01:57 PM)jason Wrote: Those people have a choice to go work somewhere else. Just like a smoker or a pothead have the choice to not work in a hospital. No one is holding anyone down and injecting them against their will. That is being forced. Freedom comes with consequences for choices. That seems to be lost on some people nowadays.

They do?

Who says there's job openings in their field of expertise?  Who's to say that there's even other jobs that are the same as what they do now?

(10-22-2021, 02:48 PM)Dill Wrote: I don't know if one can argue that killing a fetus inside a woman's body, or forcing her to carry one to term, 
doesn't involve her body, and her rights over it. I'll save that discussion for a future thread on irony and hypocrisy.

But I can say with some confidence that most Americans are fine with vaccine mandates relating to diseases like measles and polio--just not with COVID vaccines when Biden is president.  Then our "freedoms" take priority over protecting the public.

So likely some of the people protesting abortion clinics will protest vaccine mandates, but those defending abortion rights won't. 

In any case vaccine mandates don't take away "choices"; they take away options--like employment at a hospital where your decision NOT to get vaccinated puts others at risk. 

Each person has to decide on his/her priorities.  E.g., Fox news has mandated its employees HAVE to be vaccinated. 

If any choose not to, then they cannot go on air and undermine public confidence in mandates, medical science and Biden.

It does involve her body, but killing something inside her isn't her controlling her body, it's controlling another body.

[*jason*]

(10-23-2021, 04:35 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: They do?

Who says there's job openings in their field of expertise?  Who's to say that there's even other jobs that are the same as what they do now?

It does involve her body, but killing something inside her isn't her controlling her body, it's controlling another body.

Who cares if there are other openings in their field? Take the shot (like you did), or move along. If you can't meet the requirements of a job, you're not entitled to hold it. It's pretty simple actually.

[BFritz21]

(10-23-2021, 05:44 PM)jason Wrote: Who cares if there are other openings in their field? Take the shot (like you did), or move along. If you can't meet the requirements of a job, you're not entitled to hold it. It's pretty simple actually.

They might not be qualified to be in other work.

You asked a question and then answered it two sentences later.

[Dill]

(10-23-2021, 04:35 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: It does involve her body, but killing something inside her isn't her controlling her body, it's controlling another body.

If you stop a woman from killing "something" inside her,

then you force her to carry it to term.

That isn't just "controlling another body", is it?

[BFritz21]

(10-23-2021, 08:03 PM)Dill Wrote: If you stop a woman from killing "something" inside her,

then you force her to carry it to term.

That isn't just controlling another body, is it?

Does a pregnant woman have 4 ears, two brains, and two mouths?

[*jason*]

(10-23-2021, 06:52 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: They might not be qualified to be in other work.

You asked a question and then answered it two sentences later.

Probably outta get that shot then...

[KillerGoose]

(10-23-2021, 08:12 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Does a pregnant woman have 4 ears, two brains, and two mouths?

Until about three months, no.

[BigPapaKain]

(10-23-2021, 04:35 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: They do?

Who says there's job openings in their field of expertise?  Who's to say that there's even other jobs that are the same as what they do now?

I hear the restaurant industry is looking for employees. No experience required. There's also a bunch of tourist towns looking for people to exploit...eh, hire to work their hotels and tourist traps.

I know plenty of folks who don't have jobs in their area of expertise. Get the shot or adapt to new circumstances.

[Dill]

(10-23-2021, 08:12 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Does a pregnant woman have 4 ears, two brains, and two mouths?

I don't think so. 

Does that mean no one is controlling her body if she is denied the choice to abort?

[BFritz21]

(10-23-2021, 08:40 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: I hear the restaurant industry is looking for employees. No experience required. There's also a bunch of tourist towns looking for people to exploit...eh, hire to work their hotels and tourist traps.

I know plenty of folks who don't have jobs in their area of expertise. Get the shot or adapt to new circumstances.

Can people who make house payments, car payments, pay for their children, etc., afford those things on the salaries being offered at those restaurants?

(10-24-2021, 12:10 AM)Dill Wrote: I don't think so. 

Does that mean no one is controlling her body if she is denied the choice to abort?

It just means that it's not her body because an unborn baby in the mother's stomach has those things.