(04-19-2017, 09:55 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: How about just admitting that you enjoy watching pro athletes do their jobs, regardless of what they did in their personal lives. And, that you enjoy watching someone go down for similar reasons, because they say things on TV that you don't agree with?
It's really what it boils down to. Hell, everyone was quick to forgive Bill Clinton for his transgressions against Women...
Who were those four women Trump escorted to his debates with Hillary?
(04-20-2017, 10:51 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Posdibly not in the classical sense... but jerkin your shame finger while in your office using your desk phone is, well... offensive?
He sucks, I've already said so. Just not a fan of the implied hyperbole that Fred so often traffics in. The man is gross, he's a womanizer, but he is not a sex offender.
Quote:Whatever. Dudes a tool. Can't wait for his conspiracy theory about how paid protesters made him rub his giblets and touch their milk bags. The entertainment WILL GO LIVE!
(04-19-2017, 08:50 PM)CageTheBengal Wrote: Joe Mixon plays a sport for a living and doesn't get paid to speak his mind so I imagine people hold him to a lower standard. O'Reilly influences people by writing books and speaking his mind on a political TV show...Well he used to. He's a political figure that people rely on for his opinion and has made himself very wealthy doing it.
Joe Mixon and O'Reilly aren't even in the same realm. Kind of strange that you brought him into the discussion. If you would've set Ray Rice or Greg Hardy then your point doesn't stick.
Some of the world's most influential people were scumbags. So holding them to moral standards seems kind of silly to be honest.
(04-22-2017, 03:38 PM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: Some of humanity's most influential people were scumbags. So holding them to moral standards seems kind of silly to be honest.
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
I'll continue to evaluate influential figures by their merits (performance, ideas, etc) instead of allegations of sexual harassment or extramarital affairs.
(04-22-2017, 03:54 PM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: What a silly post.
I'll continue to evaluate influential figures by their merits (performance, ideas, etc) instead of allegations of sexual harassment or extramarital affairs.
Certainly. Wouldn't want morals being applied to people in positions of power or influence.
Otherwise Trump wouldn't have been eligible to run for president.
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
(04-22-2017, 04:02 PM)GMDino Wrote: Certainly. Wouldn't want morals being applied to people in positions of power or influence.
Otherwise Trump wouldn't have been eligible to run for president.
Some of our greatest presidents wouldn't be able to lead using your standards.
Kennedy, FDR, Eisenhower, Clinton, Harding, Johnson; they all had extramarital affairs.
Consider all the other leaders, military geniuses, athletes and performers who were incredibly gifted and inspired millions worldwide. Many of them had skeletons inn their closet too.
So this idea that being morally correct has anything to do with the impact you have on the world is wrong.
(04-22-2017, 04:17 PM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: Some of our greatest presidents wouldn't be able to lead using your standards.
Kennedy, FDR, Eisenhower, Clinton, Harding, Johnson; they all had extramarital affairs.
Consider all the other leaders, military geniuses, athletes and performers who were incredibly gifted and inspired millions worldwide. Many of them had skeletons inn their closet too.
So this idea that being morally correct has anything to do with the impact you have on the world is wrong.
So I can't hold them to a high moral standard just because they were "good" at what they do?
Interesting.
See *I* would say no one is perfect but there has to be a point where their actions have consequences. BOR is the latest example. Multiple women, multiple payoffs, etc.
Bill Clinton *should* have stepped down for lying to the American people.
Richard Nixon *did* step down.
Get the idea yet?
Although it sounds like you are firmly entrenched in the "family values" party.
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
(04-22-2017, 04:38 PM)GMDino Wrote: So I can't hold them to a high moral standard just because they were "good" at what they do?
Interesting.
See *I* would say no one is perfect but there has to be a point where their actions have consequences. BOR is the latest example. Multiple women, multiple payoffs, etc.
Bill Clinton *should* have stepped down for lying to the American people.
Richard Nixon *did* step down.
Get the idea yet?
Although it sounds like you are firmly entrenched in the "family values" party.
You can hold them to whatever standard you want. But if you think that your standard is an actual metric of overall performance in their roles, you're being silly. You're probably an old man. You'd think that all those rockers you listened to before I was even born would've shown you that.
Richard Nixon did some corrupt shit that directly impacted his ability to lead. It's not comparable to what's been discussed in this thread.
You think I'm "entrenched" with social conservatives? That's a first.
Most people have told me that I'm an edgelord piece of shit when it comes to all religion, including the religous right.
(04-22-2017, 04:38 PM)GMDino Wrote: See *I* would say no one is perfect but there has to be a point where their actions have consequences. BOR is the latest example. Multiple women, multiple payoffs, etc.
If those payoffs were supposed "hush" money, then Bill O'Reilly is due some pretty hefty refunds. Will be interesting to see if he files civil suit on any of them.
Volson is meh, but I like him, and he has far exceeded my expectations
(04-22-2017, 04:17 PM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: Some of our greatest presidents wouldn't be able to lead using your standards.
Kennedy, FDR, Eisenhower, Clinton, Harding, Johnson; they all had extramarital affairs.
Consider all the other leaders, military geniuses, athletes and performers who were incredibly gifted and inspired millions worldwide. Many of them had skeletons inn their closet too.
So this idea that being morally correct has anything to do with the impact you have on the world is wrong.
Dont forget the Virgin Mary had an extra-marital affair.
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