Bye, Bernie!

[SunsetBengal]

Dear Democratic Socialists, We are gathered here today to bid farewell to the campaign of Bernie Sanders. Yes, that's right. The Champion of the "Fight for $15" movement, refuses to live up to his own rhetoric, and won't pay his own campaign workers $15/hr.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/labor-fight-roils-bernie-sanders-campaign-as-workers-demand-the-15-hourly-pay-the-candidate-has-proposed-for-employees-nationwide/2019/07/18/3a6df9f4-a966-11e9-9214-246e594de5d5_story.html?fbclid=IwAR3WmIw8fnuiLpdtCSsOkormCbtRvOgvXMe_2-HXYl9BnEI7z7shJl1dlyc&noredirect=on&utm_term=.c01ea821f290

Quote:Campaign field hires have demanded an annual salary they say would be equivalent to a $15-an-hour wage, which Sanders for years has said should be the federal minimum. The organizers and other employees supporting them have invoked the senator’s words and principles in making their case to campaign manager Faiz Shakir, the documents reviewed by The Washington Post show.

Sanders has made standing up for workers a central theme of his presidential campaigns — this year marching with McDonald’s employees seeking higher wages, pressing Walmart shareholders to pay workers more and showing solidarity with university personnel on strike. The independent from Vermont has proudly touted his campaign as the first presidential effort to unionize its employees, and his defense of the working class has been a signature element of his brand of democratic socialism and a rallying cry for the populist movement he claims to lead.

Wow, he shot himself in the foot before the primaries..

[*bfine32*]

(07-19-2019, 05:43 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Dear Democratic Socialists, We are gathered here today to bid farewell to the campaign of Bernie Sanders.  Yes, that's right.  The Champion of the "Fight for $15" movement, refuses to live up to his own rhetoric, and won't pay his own campaign workers $15/hr.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/labor-fight-roils-bernie-sanders-campaign-as-workers-demand-the-15-hourly-pay-the-candidate-has-proposed-for-employees-nationwide/2019/07/18/3a6df9f4-a966-11e9-9214-246e594de5d5_story.html?fbclid=IwAR3WmIw8fnuiLpdtCSsOkormCbtRvOgvXMe_2-HXYl9BnEI7z7shJl1dlyc&noredirect=on&utm_term=.c01ea821f290


Wow, he shot himself in the foot before the primaries..  

To be fair those workers are on salary and hourly wage should be moot. Maybe the union should impose no more than 40 hour work weeks. 

[Belsnickel]

Surprise. Bernie is a hypocrite. Who, oh who, could have seen this coming?

[SunsetBengal]

(07-19-2019, 06:55 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Surprise. Bernie is a hypocrite. Who, oh who, could have seen this coming?

Oh, I know..  But, I simply couldn't resist finding the humor, in the irony, of the hypocrisy, from the Champion of the "Fight for $15" movement refusing to pay his workers the equivalent of $15/hr.  

[CJD]

I always felt like "salary" jobs was code for "you're gonna work more than 40 hours a week."

As a contractor, I get paid for every hour I work. I've been told horror stories from people who make salaries. Employers really abuse it.

[SunsetBengal]

(07-19-2019, 07:16 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I always felt like "salary" jobs was code for "you're gonna work more than 40 hours a week."

As a contractor, I get paid for every hour I work. I've been told horror stories from people who make salaries. Employers really abuse it.

When I was a contractor, I had to agree to perform my services for a lump sum price, loosely based upon a per/sq. ft. amount.  I paid my employees hourly.  Shitty part of it was there was typically no room for renegotiation, once the lump sum price was agreed upon.  Some times it bit me in the ass, like when I would have to put my workers on multiple days worth of prep work, that was not allowed to be accounted for in the bid price.

[Yojimbo]

Have any of you ever worked for a union? This is how it works. You negotiate for a contract. If you don’t like that one, you can negotiate for a new one, depending on terms and such. The original contract was $15/hr based on 40 hour work week. Turns out that doesn’t work since they routinely work more than 40 hours, not a hard thing to correct. I can guarantee you Bernie is on the side of the staff and is more than happy to compensate them appropriately. Quick, tell me another campaign paying their field staff anywhere near the amount and benefits that the Sanders campaign is. Within a week or two they’ll get the pay raise and the media won’t make a peep about that.

Salary jobs are a way to avoid paying overtime and it’s a scam. One of Obama’s executive orders that that Trump did or wants to get rid of was giving salaries workers, that make less than $55k a year, overtime pay.

Congratulations having the same take on this as Bill Kristol.

[CKwi88]

(07-19-2019, 07:16 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I always felt like "salary" jobs was code for "you're gonna work more than 40 hours a week."

As a contractor, I get paid for every hour I work. I've been told horror stories from people who make salaries. Employers really abuse it.

Not in public sector. 

[SunsetBengal]

(07-19-2019, 08:10 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: Have any of you ever worked for a union? This is how it works. You negotiate for a contract. If you don’t like that one, you can negotiate for a new one, depending on terms and such. The original contract was $15/hr based on 40 hour work week. Turns out that doesn’t work since they routinely work more than 40 hours, not a hard thing to correct.  I can guarantee you Bernie is on the side of the staff and is more than happy to compensate them appropriately. Quick, tell me another campaign paying their field staff anywhere near the amount and benefits that the Sanders campaign is. Within a week or two they’ll get the pay raise and the media won’t make a peep about that.

Salary jobs are a way to avoid paying overtime and it’s a scam. One of Obama’s executive orders that that Trump did or wants to get rid of was giving salaries workers, that make less than $55k a year, overtime pay.

Congratulations having the same take on this as Bill Kristin. :eyeroll:

So let Bernie pay them $15/hr, plus overtime at time and one half, plus health insurance, just like he expects everyone in America to do...

[Belsnickel]

(07-19-2019, 08:11 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: Not in public sector. 

You're funny.

[Benton]

(07-19-2019, 07:16 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I always felt like "salary" jobs was code for "you're gonna work more than 40 hours a week."

As a contractor, I get paid for every hour I work. I've been told horror stories from people who make salaries. Employers really abuse it.

Yeah, I'm in an exempt industry and it's not uncommon to find folks working 60ish hours, lowering their hourly rate to $10-12 an hour. Which sucks for those with student loans.

To the op, Bernie has to do something, his competition is outsourcing brides and stuff...

[CJD]

(07-19-2019, 07:34 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: When I was a contractor, I had to agree to perform my services for a lump sum price, loosely based upon a per/sq. ft. amount.  I paid my employees hourly.  Shitty part of it was there was typically no room for renegotiation, once the lump sum price was agreed upon.  Some times it bit me in the ass, like when I would have to put my workers on multiple days worth of prep work, that was not allowed to be accounted for in the bid price.

Yea, my company never takes on lump sums for that reason. In engineering, there's too much that can go wrong. For those who don't know, engineering something, especially a pharmaceutical plant or anything in a refinery, can be, at times, extremely tedious and there is so much rework, you wouldn't believe XD.

I had a friend who worked for an company that engineered lubricants and he said he was working 50 to 55 hour weeks on a weekly basis. When he tried to bring it up to his manager like "Hey, can we take every other Friday off, since the schedule of our testing on Monday - Thursday already takes about 45 hours?" to which his manager replied "Why would I agree to that, when I already have that, plus your work on Friday?"

It's just really ****** up haha. 

[Yojimbo]

(07-19-2019, 08:21 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So let Bernie pay them $15/hr, plus overtime at time and one half, plus health insurance, just like he expects everyone in America to do...

They are already getting healthcare at no cost for those making $36,000 a year. This was a contract that was negotiated and agreed to by the workers in May.

Challenge for you, find me a case where a union ratified a contract, then two months later asked the employer to renegotiate it and the employer said yes, because that’s just what happened here.

I’d like to say I’ll wait here, but I don’t want to die of old age in this thread.

[BmorePat87]

Sounds like the campaign is actively working on ensuring that hours worked do not exceed a point where staffers would make less than $15 an hour based on their annual salary, but given the health care package, they're really making more than that.

Kudos to the campaign for being so open to ensure their lowest level staffers are heard and compensated fairly.

[Yojimbo]

Update: Bernie just announced on CNN that the campaign and the union have agreed to a new contract that has the lowest paid workers starting at $17/hr and all workers will have health benefits paid 100%. Want to re-title the thread “Hello Bernie!”?

[Vas Deferens]

(07-23-2019, 05:37 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: Update: Bernie just announced on CNN that the campaign and the union have agreed to a new contract that has the lowest paid workers starting at $17/hr and all workers will have health benefits paid 100%. Want to re-title the thread “Hello Bernie, are you broke yet!”?

Nah.  Lets just get back to calling him a commie.

[SunsetBengal]

(07-23-2019, 05:37 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: Update: Bernie just announced on CNN that the campaign and the union have agreed to a new contract that has the lowest paid workers starting at $17/hr and all workers will have health benefits paid 100%. Want to re-title the thread “Hello Bernie, are you broke yet!”?

[Yojimbo]

(07-23-2019, 06:01 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote:

Nice one :giggle:

He has more money than any other Dem candidate, probably going to be ok.

[SunsetBengal]

(07-23-2019, 07:56 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: Nice one :giggle:

He has more money than any other Dem candidate, probably going to be ok.

That is an entire news cycle, all in itself.  Wait until the mud starts flying..

[BmorePat87]

(07-23-2019, 07:59 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That is an entire news cycle, all in itself.  Wait until the mud starts flying..

Are you suggesting that campaigns that offer lower pay and less benefits will sling mud at him for this?