Donald Trump "wrote" an Op-Ed for USA Today

[GMDino]

I'll post it and let you pick out the lies.  

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/10/10/donald-trump-democrats-open-borders-medicare-all-single-payer-column/1560533002/

Quote:The Democrats want to outlaw private health care plans, taking away freedom to choose plans while letting anyone cross our border. We must win this.


Throughout the year, we have seen Democrats across the country uniting around a new legislative proposal that would end Medicare as we know it and take away benefits that seniors have paid for their entire lives.

Dishonestly called “Medicare for All,” the Democratic proposal would establish a government-run, single-payer health care system that eliminates all private and employer-based health care plans and would cost an astonishing $32.6 trillion during its first 10 years. 

As a candidate, I promised that we would protect coverage for patients with pre-existing conditions and create new health care insurance options that would lower premiums. I have kept that promise, and we are now seeing health insurance premiums coming down.

I also made a solemn promise to our great seniors to protect Medicare. That is why I am fighting so hard against the Democrats' plan that would eviscerate Medicare. Democrats have already harmed seniors by slashing Medicare by more than $800 billion over 10 years to pay for Obamacare. Likewise, Democrats would gut Medicare with their planned government takeover of American health care.

The Democrats' plan threatens America's seniors
The Democrats' plan means that after a life of hard work and sacrifice, seniors would no longer be able to depend on the benefits they were promised. By eliminating Medicare as a program for seniors, and outlawing the ability of Americans to enroll in private and employer-based plans, the Democratic plan would inevitably lead to the massive rationing of health care. Doctors and hospitals would be put out of business. Seniors would lose access to their favorite doctors. There would be long wait lines for appointments and procedures. Previously covered care would effectively be denied.

In practice, the Democratic Party’s so-called Medicare for All would really be Medicare for None. Under the Democrats' plan, today’s Medicare would be forced to die.

The Democrats' plan also would mean the end of choice for seniors over their own health care decisions. Instead, Democrats would give total power and control over seniors’ health care decisions to the bureaucrats in Washington, D.C.

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The first thing the Democratic plan will do to end choice for seniors is eliminateMedicare Advantage plans for about 20 million seniors as well as eliminate other private health plans that seniors currently use to supplement their Medicare coverage.

Next, the Democrats would eliminate every American’s private and employer-based health plan. It is right there in their proposed legislation: Democrats outlaw private health plans that offer the same benefits as the government plan. 
Americans might think that such an extreme, anti-senior, anti-choice and anti-consumer proposal for government-run health care would find little support among Democrats in Congress.

Unfortunately, they would be wrong: 123 Democrats in the House of Representatives — 64 percent of House Democrats — as well as 15 Democrats in the Senate have already formally co-sponsored this legislation. Democratic nominees for governor in Florida, California and Maryland are all campaigning in support of it, as are many Democratic congressional candidates.

Democrats want open-borders socialism
The truth is that the centrist Democratic Party is dead. The new Democrats are radical socialists who want to model America’s economy after Venezuela.

If Democrats win control of Congress this November, we will come dangerously closer to socialism in America. Government-run health care is just the beginning. Democrats are also pushing massive government control of education, private-sector businesses and other major sectors of the U.S. economy. 

Every single citizen will be harmed by such a radical shift in American culture and life. Virtually everywhere it has been tried, socialism has brought suffering, misery and decay.

Indeed, the Democrats' commitment to government-run health care is all the more menacing to our seniors and our economy when paired with some Democrats' absolute commitment to end enforcement of our immigration laws by abolishing Immigration and Customs
Enforcement. That means millions more would cross our borders illegally and take advantage of health care paid for by American taxpayers.

Today’s Democratic Party is for open-borders socialism. This radical agenda would destroy American prosperity. Under its vision, costs will spiral out of control. Taxes will skyrocket. And Democrats will seek to slash budgets for seniors’ Medicare, Social Security and defense.
Republicans believe that a Medicare program that was created for seniors and paid for by seniors their entire lives should always be protected and preserved. I am committed to resolutely defending Medicare and Social Security from the radical socialist plans of the Democrats. For the sake of our country, our prosperity, our seniors and all Americans — this is a fight we must win.

[Benton]

That's like most of the stuff McConnell's press office puts out

[GMDino]

(10-10-2018, 12:22 PM)Benton Wrote: That's like most of the stuff McConnell's press office puts out

You just know he was the kid in high school who copied everyone's homework and signed his name to it. 

[fredtoast]

(10-10-2018, 12:24 PM)GMDino Wrote: You just know he was the kid in high school who copied everyone's homework and signed his name to it. 

I doubt Trump ever copied anyone's homework.

I am pretty sure he had someone else copy it for him.

[*michaelsean*]

(10-10-2018, 12:27 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I doubt Trump ever copied anyone's homework.

I am pretty sure he had someone else copy it for him.

Whoever  did  write this doesn't know the first thing about Kurt Vonnegut!

[Dill]

(10-10-2018, 12:32 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Whoever  did  write this doesn't know the first thing about Kurt Vonnegut!

Harrison Bergeron?

[*michaelsean*]

(10-10-2018, 01:32 PM)Dill Wrote: Harrison Bergeron?

Kurt himself wrote it.  Perhaps you don't watch classic movies?

[BmorePat87]

Doesn't medicare for all allow you to purchase supplemental private plans?

[Belsnickel]

(10-10-2018, 02:03 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Doesn't medicare for all allow you to purchase supplemental private plans?

Yes.

[fredtoast]

(10-10-2018, 02:03 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Doesn't medicare for all allow you to purchase supplemental private plans?

(10-10-2018, 02:18 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Yes.

Only for benefits not covered by the single payer plan






SEC. 107. Prohibition against duplicating coverage.

(a) In general.—Beginning on the effective date described in section 106(a), it shall be unlawful for—
(1) a private health insurer to sell health insurance coverage that duplicates the benefits provided under this Act; or
(2) an employer to provide benefits for an employee, former employee, or the dependents of an employee or former employee that duplicate the benefits provided under this Act.
(b) Construction.—Nothing in this Act shall be construed as prohibiting the sale of health insurance coverage for any additional benefits not covered by this Act, including additional benefits that an employer may provide to employees or their dependents, or to former employees or their dependents.

[GMDino]

(10-10-2018, 02:31 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Only for benefits not covered by the single payer plan






SEC. 107. Prohibition against duplicating coverage.

(a) In general.—Beginning on the effective date described in section 106(a), it shall be unlawful for—
(1) a private health insurer to sell health insurance coverage that duplicates the benefits provided under this Act; or
(2) an employer to provide benefits for an employee, former employee, or the dependents of an employee or former employee that duplicate the benefits provided under this Act.
(b) Construction.—Nothing in this Act shall be construed as prohibiting the sale of health insurance coverage for any additional benefits not covered by this Act, including additional benefits that an employer may provide to employees or their dependents, or to former employees or their dependents.

Yep.  So if people feel they aren't getting the coverage they want they can "upgrade" to a private plan at their own expense.

So it does not, inthe "words of the president" :

Quote:Dishonestly called “Medicare for All,” the Democratic proposal would establish a government-run, single-payer health care system that eliminates all private and employer-based health care plans

I'm stunned he either lied or doesn't know how it works.

[Dill]

(10-10-2018, 01:58 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Kurt himself wrote it.  Perhaps you don't watch classic movies?

I thought I did. But perhaps not. I do read short stories though. I thought that's what you were referring to.

[Donnyho]

(10-10-2018, 12:32 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Whoever  did  write this doesn't know the first thing about Kurt Vonnegut!

[GMDino]

(10-10-2018, 04:05 PM)Donnyho Wrote:

Mandatory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hn9xAaKUbw

[Yojimbo]

It’s not just Democrats that support M4ALL, it has majority support among Republicans and Independents.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/08/new-poll-majority-of-gop-voters-support-medicare-for-all.html?gtm=bottom&gtm=top

[*michaelsean*]

(10-10-2018, 04:34 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: It’s not just Democrats that support M4ALL, it has majority support among Republicans and Independents.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/08/new-poll-majority-of-gop-voters-support-medicare-for-all.html?gtm=bottom&gtm=top

If that's what ewverybody wants, then fine by me as long as they are aware they will all be paying  for it, and not just the 1%.

[Belsnickel]

(10-10-2018, 04:53 PM)michaelsean Wrote: If that's what ewverybody wants, then fine by me as long as they are aware they will all be paying  for it, and not just the 1%.

We're all paying for it, now. Just to private, for-profit companies instead of a government agency.

[*michaelsean*]

(10-10-2018, 04:57 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: We're all paying for it, now. Just to private, for-profit companies instead of a government agency.

Yeah but i have the feeling a lot of people think this will be "free" to them.  Maybe I'm wrong.  

[fredtoast]

(10-10-2018, 05:31 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Yeah but i have the feeling a lot of people think this will be "free" to them.  Maybe I'm wrong.  

I have a feeling a lot of people think no one is paying for all the medical bills wiped out in bankruptcy or written off as losses by hospitals.

[*michaelsean*]

(10-10-2018, 05:46 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I have a feeling a lot of people think no one is paying for all the medical bills wiped out in bankruptcy or written off as losses by hospitals.

Yeah could be that too.