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Election Challenges, Protests, Conspiracy Theories, and Moral Panics
(12-18-2020, 03:05 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Incoming Senator Tommy Tuberville, who revealed a few weeks back that he doesn’t even know what the 3 branches of government are or why we fought in WWII, named Trump the best President in his lifetime .

Better than Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Reagan, or anyone else since 1954.

Speaking of the greatest president of the last 65 years, Trump has been quiet on the hack and soaring covid deaths. What has he done recently?

Losing lawsuits.
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Right. Why worry about spiking COVID-19 cases and security breaches by a hostile foreign government when Trump could concentrate all of his time and effort on golfing and contesting an election he has no chance of overturning? Now that he's lost re-election, he doesn't want to do the job anymore. He's not even pretending.

Donald Trump is a self-serving narcissist. The end.
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(12-18-2020, 11:59 AM)Big Boss Wrote: Right.  Why worry about spiking COVID-19 cases and security breaches by a hostile foreign government when Trump could concentrate all of his time and effort on golfing and contesting an election he has no chance of overturning?  Now that he's lost re-election, he doesn't want to do the job anymore.  He's not even pretending.  

Donald Trump is a self-serving narcissist.  The end.

Give him a chance, he still has a few weeks to grow into the office.
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So...probably going to need those family pardons' figured out here soon.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/12/bombshell-report-jared-kushner-set-up-shell-company-that-diverted-campaign-cash-to-trump-family-members/

Quote:Bombshell report: Jared Kushner set up shell company that diverted campaign cash to Trump family members

Jared Kushner helped set up a shell company that secretly paid President Donald Trump’s family members and spent nearly half of his 2020 campaign’s funds.


The president’s son-in-law and White House senior adviser directed his sister-in-law Lara Trump, Vice President Mike Pence’s nephew John Pence and Trump campaign CFO Sean Dollman to sit on the shell company’s board, a source familiar with the operation told Business Insider.


The company, which was incorporated as American Made Media Consultants Corporation and American Made Media Consultants LLC, spent $617 million of the campaign’s $1.26 billion war chest, according to campaign finance records.[b]

[color=#000000][size=large]Trump’s top advisers and campaign staff told Insider they were unaware of how the shell company operated, and campaign officials even conducted an internal audit of its operations under former campaign manager Brad Parscale but never reported those findings, and the next campaign manager Bill Stepien had little involvement with AMMC.



“Nothing was done without Jared’s approval,” said a former advisor to Trump’s 2016 campaign. “What Stepien doesn’t know is because Jared doesn’t want him to know.”

The nonpartisan Campaign Legal Center filed a civil complaint in July with the Federal Election Commission accusing the campaign of disguising” about $170 million in spending “by laundering the funds” through AMMC.
“[It’s a] scheme to evade telling voters even the basics on where its money is really going [and a] shield to disguise the ultimate recipients of its spending,” said Brendan Fischer, the center’s director of federal reform.


The Department of Justice may open a criminal investigation if the government suspects the payments were a “knowing and willful” violation of election law.

Several sources from the Justice Department and FEC told Insider that investigators may already be looking into the campaign’s activity.

“Lara Trump and John Pence resigned from the AMMC board in October 2019 to focus solely on their campaign activities, however, there was never any ethical or legal reason why they could not serve on the board in the first place,” said Tim Murtaugh, the campaign’s communications director. “John and Lara were not compensated by AMMC for their service as board members.”
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Sounds illegal.

But LOCK HER UP amirite?
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The guy who pled guilty and then got a pardon after Trump's DOJ dropped the charges because...Trump...is now saying this:

 


A there is a LOT of silence from people who "took an oath" about it.

I was glad to see some speak out against it...but here's not nearly enough backlash for such talk.  1A protected or not.
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Election related, but really could get it's own thread if I weren't feeling lazy: https://www.businessinsider.com/jared-kushner-trump-campaign-shell-company-family-ammc-lara-2020-12
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Just in case people think that Trump isn't doing anything except whining about the election, taking credit for the vaccine and denying that Russia hacked us for months unnoticed under his watch he is also still doing whatever this is.

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(12-18-2020, 11:09 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Election related, but really could get it's own thread if I weren't feeling lazy: https://www.businessinsider.com/jared-kushner-trump-campaign-shell-company-family-ammc-lara-2020-12

I'm sure the pardon will cover that.
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Civics-illiterate Senator-Elect Tuberville  has suggested he may join with Mo Brooks or anyone else in the House in objecting to electors when Congress counts on the 6th.

Objections require one member of each chamber objecting and would require that both chambers vote separately on it, with a simple majority being required to pass. It could drag out the process for days while achieving nothing.
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(12-21-2020, 02:19 PM)GMDino Wrote: I'm sure the pardon will cover that.

I don't think that they can issue a pardon covering civil offenses like that, though.
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(12-21-2020, 02:19 PM)GMDino Wrote: I'm sure the pardon will cover that.

(12-21-2020, 05:38 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I don't think that they can issue a pardon covering civil offenses like that, though.

It's tricky. Depends on what kind of crime they classify it as. Some of it could be a civil offense while others could be a federal offense. The campaign finance violation versus the knowingly violating the law for gain. 
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(12-21-2020, 06:05 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: It's tricky. Depends on what kind of crime they classify it as. Some of it could be a civil offense while others could be a federal offense. The campaign finance violation versus the knowingly violating the law for gain. 

Eh, I was half joking.  But seeing anyone of these top tier fat cats actually get punished for what they do would be something rarely seen.
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(12-21-2020, 09:57 PM)GMDino Wrote: Eh, I was half joking.  But seeing anyone of these top tier fat cats actually get punished for what they do would be something rarely seen.

Yeah, the idea of Trump even getting a stern warning for any of the things he's done is a pipe dream.  It's almost enough to make you think life is unfair, or something.
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(12-18-2020, 12:17 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Give him a chance, he still has a few weeks to grow into the office.

Maybe he'll get the shit straight in time for 2024?
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So how about Trump's weekend discussions ranging from imposing martial law in swing states to seizing voting machines through executive fiat? Totally normal, "just words" right?
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(12-22-2020, 09:33 AM)Big Boss Wrote: So how about Trump's weekend discussions ranging from imposing martial law in swing states to seizing voting machines through executive fiat?  Totally normal, "just words" right?

Everyone is convinced he will fail.

They also refuse to publicly criticize the attempts.

After four plus years of defending him as not everything he really is and that he is showing right now they HAVE to either keep defending or just run and hide because otherwise they would have been wrong.

And in today's highly black and white world admitting your were wrong is the WORST thing to some people.
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A number of the newer members of Congress who got elected by standing on the fringes of the right with Q crackpots are planning on challenging electors. It won't change anything but it will be embarrassing for Republicans.
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(12-22-2020, 05:09 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: A number of the newer members of Congress who got elected by standing on the fringes of the right with Q crackpots are planning on challenging electors. It won't change anything but it will be embarrassing for Republicans.

If only they were capable of feeling embarrassment.  Gaetz won't.
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This ones is fun, Trump/GOP/ Rubicam Committee are being sued for violation of the KKK Act for their targeting of minorities in a presidential election. If they lose they’d actually have to ask courts if they are allowed to file suits in the future.

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/president-trumps-post-election-conduct-and-threats-violated-the-ku-klux-klan-act-civil-rights-groups-allege/

Also, a bunch of hearings on sanctions against the Trump lawyers all around the country in the coming weeks.
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